Hi Carl Sagan once described a simplified example where there was a prophecy of war following the passing of a comet. This was presented to the people who came to believe it. Then eventually a comet did come to pass and a leading member of society said this meant there would be war and they started beating the war drums and preparing for war. The other side heard of it or perhaps they also were familiar with the same prophecy and they also prepared for war which eventually led to a war and the appearance of a legitimate prophecy. This legitimacy begins to fall apart as soon as you look a little closer and realize that the prophecy helped encourage people to bring about the war and their own demise. A simalar historical example is when Croesus was told that if he attacked the Persians, he would destroy a great empire which he thought was good if it was the enemy he destroyed but he wound up destroying his own great empire. I'm not an exeget, but this biblical prophecy seems to describe The Holocaust very accurately: Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. http://carm.org/kjv/Zech/Zech_13.htm Probably the numbers 13 and 8 were choiced by a numerologist or cabbalist. 13 + 8 = 21; 2 (father and son) 1(the principle: God) = 3 (father and son= 3 [the holy spirit]). The number 3, a basic brick in Cabbala. Suspicious, considering the strong influence of cabbala: 144 000 people from the tribes of Israel will go to heaven, 12 apostles, 666/616 of the beast., etc Help me know the sociologycal/historical processes which trapped the fathers of our religions into the Self-fulfilling Nightmare.