The Democrats will win whoever they put up for POTUS

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  1. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Way to ignore the bulk of that post. Good job!
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Huh, rather selective editing don’t you think? This is the part you left out, “More Democrats Take Liberal Positions, More Republicans Take Conservative Positions”. The title of the article which contained the graph was “Political Polarization in the American Public”. It didn’t address or support your claim the Democrat had moved more to the left. And you were presented evidence that contrary to your assertion, Democrats have moved more to the right much to the chagrin of you and your fellow Republicans. In response Republicans have become more extreme to the point of radicalization.
    There is a difference between polarization and radicalization (i.e. moving more to an extreme), a difference you are seemingly incapable of understanding.
    Apparently you don’t understand the difference between consistency and extremism.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republican-extremism-and-the-lessons-of-history-20131010
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/05/america-becoming-bit-more-liberal-thats-pretty-unusual-six-years-democratic-presi
    You cannot google?
     
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  5. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    I did not see any disagreement over "More Republicans take conservative positions", so it was irrelevant to the current discussion. But if nitpicking makes you feel better...by all means. News articles do not generally constitute evidence, and not a Republican (do I need to repeat my voting record?). You have conflated "radicalization" with "extreme". I have been talking about the extremes of the graph I linked, you know, that one that shows ideological consistency. More consistently liberal is equivalent to more liberal. That says nothing about any "liberal extremism" (i.e. your strawman).

    Wow. You doubled-down with even MORE questionably objective news sources. Good job! Way to dig in.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Oh great master of all things political, I bow before your omnipotent knowledge; in recognition of your statements, I shall refrain from ever voting again!

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  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    It will be interesting if they nominate Bernie Sanders. He's an independent, running in the Democratic Party primary, because he aligns more with their platform. Most Republicans don't like Clinton, whereas those who are a little scared of the direction their own party is taking might appreciate a man who isn't a knee-jerk Democrat. Many Democrats would be disappointed to see him on their ticket, but probably not so angry that they'd vote for a Republican.

    I don't care, I'm voting Green.
     
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree with that. I don't think many Democrats would be disappointed with him on the ticket, however the primary voters i doubt get behind him. They are more establishment types.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And way to try to piss someone off who agrees with you. Nice approach to rational discussion.
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, well if you are against news articles, why did you ask for them? And as for your voting record, all we really have is your assertions which runs 360 degrees counter to your posts. You have done nothing but mindlessly repeat Republican memes almost verbatim and you want people to believe you voted for Democrats? Perhaps you are bipolar with multiple personalities?

    And one of the many unpleasant facts you have difficulty comprehending is just because more people are identifying with one party or the other (i.e. polarization) as both Fraggle and I have pointed out to you, it doesn't mean the Democratic Party has become more liberal as you have asserted. As evidenced by prior posts, Democrats have become more moderate over the course of the last few decades and Republicans have become more extreme, ridged and narrow. That is one of the unpleasant facts you like to ignore my friend.
    Except they are objective news sources. You just don't like what they had to say. Just because the sources I cited were not Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, it doesn't mean they are not objective.

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  12. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The difference between democratic and republican voters are republican voters have higher moral standards. They don't believe in relative morality. This makes it harder for republicans to just accept lies, nor do they collectively circle the wagon to support illusions, like democrats, because a moral compass requires one think on their own, and compare all path to the compass. Without a moral compass for direction; one can go just with feelings, which is better induced with entertainment; rhetoric.

    The majority of the media favors the democrats, because this base is much easier to reach with an entertainment approach; symbolic art and feeling. This benefits the self interest of the media, because this skill is also how they sell products, with democrats much easier to sell to products.

    For example, the media art may say we need a woman president. The implication is this will be historical entertainment with all types of drama. It will not say we need the most qualified person to be president, man or woman, black or white. Art is designed to induce an emotional reaction, with liberals caught up in the emotions of the historic symbolism and its entertainment value, without using the brain to think in terms of the best suited; moral compass.

    The republicans don't mind if a woman is president, as long as she is the best person for the job. They will run good female candidates. The democrats will offer up less than the best for the job, but she will be inflated by the emotion of the art symbolism and the skills of star making used by Hollywood.

    The republicans are more practical,and see the election as about the person with the best ability, and not just any symbolic offering define by a celebrity star. This practical choice is called sexist by the entertainment media, since they know this will induce emotions and their liberal based won't reason this through. The republican just shake their heads, because they know it would be easy to influence these morons by playing games of smoke and mirrors, but their conscience does not allow it. They wait for someone who is both scholar and actor to reach the liberal base; another Reagan. he was able to entertain but in ways that were consistent with a sense of direction grounded in reason.
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, so how do you explain all the self proclaimed ditto heads?

    Well informed voters favor Democrats. Are you trying to deny the existence of the Republican entertainment industry, you know the Fox News and Republican entertainment which dominates talk radio whose consumers have been repeatedly found in a number of academic studies to be the least informed - even less informed than those who watch no news at all, you mean those folks?

    I think you should run for the Republican POTUS nomination. I will vote for you.

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  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    It's Syne; judging by his track record on this site, it's what he does. If he doesn't agree with something, he deems it "irrelevant" or "made up" or "overly opinionated and biased" and tries to discard it.
     
  15. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, the bulk of my reply actually refuted your assertion that democrats have been heading toward the right. But good job! Way to point out the superficial agreement. Way to build bridges. Gold star!
     
  16. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Really? A self-avowed socialist is going to attract more republicans?
     
  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, except it didn't.

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    LOL, that made my day. And people such as yourself wonder why most of the world think you folks are ignorant.

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  18. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    I actually said:
    "Support that claim with more than questionably objective news articles."​

    You obviously need help parsing that simple sentence. How else could you think it was a request for more news sources? In this context "more than" could typically be parsed as "other than", but you seem to have figured that "more than" news articles means "more" news articles. Try again. And even if you were to supply more news sources, other than "questionably objective" definitely precluded Rolling Stone and Mother Jones, as both have a decidedly liberal bias (i.e. not objective).

    Here is a novel idea for you. Your beliefs do not change the reality. My voting record stands, as reality, regardless of how you may feel about that. But you are too interested in stereotyping views that do not accord with your own to find out how my currently expressed views relate to that voting record. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    Fraggle has not addressed me...maybe you just think everyone who does not express your views are all the same, and are conflating me with someone else. If the party is more consistently liberal then it does follow that they are more liberal.

    Really? If you think Rolling Stone and Mother Jones are completely objective (or even just solid journalism), you do not emember the completely unverified campus rape story?
     
  19. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Yet no counter-refute. Go figure.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, well if you care to make a cogent comment I would be happy to refute. But until then you are a waste of my time dude.
     
  21. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    In other words, you have nothing. Gold star for admitting that!
     
  22. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL

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  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I think it's safe to say this thread has been sufficiently trolled...

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