The Durupinar Noah's Ark Site

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  1. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    There are some factors which are not considered in the several theories about Noah's ark.

    The ark wasn't a boat, it was an ark, simply a box.

    Even when today geologist swear that our continents have separated themselves from a sole huge ancient continent called Pangaea, the bible says something totally the contrary, that the smaller continents of today split from a sole huge continent just a few thousands years ago.

    If science is to study the known "deluge" event, then at least science must respect the testimonies of the bible in order to have a closer view of what happened according to the bible.

    But, if science will try to study Noah's ark as an event which happened thousands years ago in a world with split continents here and there, then the whole scientific study sucks and is a waste of time.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    How do you know that?
    Maybe the bible is wrong.

    Does it give an actual timeline for continental drift? Which book, chapter and verse?
    You mean, if something in science contradicts what the bible says, we must defer to the authority of the bible? Why?

    Is it possible that there's false information in the bible?
    Why?
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Is Noah's Ark a sex fable?

    Lineage of who did who?
     
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  7. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    Lots of sex... you have no idea...
     
  8. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think the Bible is wrong, and totally the contrary, the geologic timeline sucks all the way.

    I will help you to help yourself with your questions. Yes, there is a chronological link in the Bible showing when the continents split from the whole and unique continent mentioned in the first chapter of the Book of Genesis.

    Find a Bible online or the book publication, and after the ark settled on ground, the children of Noah split as well and went into different directions. The geneology of the children of Noah is given over there. From Shem, the son to whom the White race is adjucdicated (yes, I had to mention it because you love hot discussions) a descendant of him is described in relation to the split of the land. His name is Peleg, because in his days the land was divided/split/ fractionated/separated.

    The false information comes from current geological chronology invented by... by geologists. And they do it just to please the absurd data invented by evolutionists. so, you better trust the chronology of the Bible, take my advice... follow the sure winner... the Bible.

    Do you still have doubts?

    Are you Russian? No? ... I will tell you a story anyway.

    This is 1950's, and the oil companies were curious to know how old was the hydrocarbon of the Gulf of Mexico. Then, the tests made with Carbon 14 gave the data of 11,000 to 13,000 years of age. The exact data and procedure plus name of the oil companies and scientists involved were published in a science magazine in those years.

    Today, the age of hydrocarbures... excuse my French... I mean hydrocarbon... of the same location is estimated as millions years of age.

    See? Barely 70 years after the first tests, the hydrocarbon in question have aged millions of years, and here is when one might ask the obvious question: such a fantastic fast aging of the hydrocarbon is magic or a miracle?

    You decide.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I guess your knowledge of geology is as deficient as your knowledge of physics.
    Cite chapter and verse, please.
    The age of the Earth was estimated to be in the at least in the hundreds of millions of years by geologists long before Darwin published his theory of evolution.
    So far, you've given me no reason to trust the chronology of the bible. Why should I trust it?
    Those scientists must have been incompetent, trying to use carbon 14 dating to estimate the age of fossil fuel deposits. (The hint is right there in the name, by the way: fossil fuels. Do you believe in fossils, Luchito?)
    In other words, science corrected its errors, as usual.
     
  10. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    You said "you guess". From my part I think your knowledge in geology is as deficient as your knowledge in physics. No wonder why we crash very often.

    So, was very hard for you to look for Peleg in the Bible, eh?

    I prefer for you to open that book and find the verse by yourself. When you start to read about the descendants of Shem, then you are very close to the verse in question. Don't be afraid if when you touch the Bible dark smoke comes from your fingers's burned flesh, and hold hard when you body starts to shake as having epilepsy... it's just the holy book immune system in action when an atheist read it with bad intentions.

    No one is discussing about the age of the Earth, but when the split of the continents happened.

    Because geological timeline sucks.

    You see, this is not about when it happened, but of finding the most accurate reason of why it happened. In this part current geology explanations -if any- suck more than ever.

    So, you still persisting with your denials, like you do in the threads of physics Now you are accusing to same Libby, the inventor of Carbon radiometric method, as an incompetent. Wow.

    T-Rex fossils assumed to be 82 million years old have showed the blood obtained from them as being 8,000 years old.

    No doubt then, why your millions of years of age for dinos are going down the toiltet. Those fantasies are over.

    The organic compounds show thousands of years, and according to modern science hydrocarbons are of organic origin. Then the right thing to do is to use the Carbon radiometric method to measure the age of organic compounds. Unless you say different, better to say, unless you guess different.
     
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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Those aren't contrary, nor does the Bible say that.
    The Black Sea Deluge theory is a way to explain existing geology and water levels around the Black Sea. That could explain the Noah's Ark story (if true.) That Genesis story is relevant only in that it represented a possible narrative of what the flood was like for one family.
    Science doesn't really study the Bible. Science studies the natural history of the world, not the supernatural history. Fortunately, there are thousands of theologians who have dedicated their lives to studying the Bible, so there will be no shortage of scholarship on the topic.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. The soft tissue (not "blood") found by Mary Schweitzer was from a 67 million year old T-Rex. It is also 67 million years old. The surprise is not the age (it's what was expected) - the surprise is that soft tissue can last that long.
     
  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You cannot use C14 dating for samples from deep in the Earth. This is because, for C14 dating to work, one has to assume that all the C14 present is derived from the atmosphere, by the processes of living organisms that capture carbon from the air. We know the ratio of C14 to C12 there is in the air and we know the half life of C14, so once the sample is no longer alive, the C14/C12 ratio will start to decline from the atmospheric value at a known rate. So if you have a piece of wood, say, or leather, or bone, i.e. something that was once alive. you can work out how long ago it stopped being alive. The limit of this method is about 50,000 years, since after that almost all the C14 has decayed.

    But, with deep earth samples you also have the decay products of radioisotopes (uranium, thorium etc) which can get into the sample. Oil and coal are millions of years old so essentially no C14 from their biological origin remains. What you find instead is variable amounts sometimes zero sometimes significant, due to decay products of heavy elements deep within the Earth.

    So detecting C14 in oil or coal proves nothing at all about its age.
     
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  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    A Noah's Ark reference I'm assuming yet, I giggled at the thought that it also applies to any part of the bible.

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  15. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    The difference is the amount of years. Modern geology millions of years, the Bible just about five thousand years ago.

    Several ancient cultures of the world mention the deluge. You attempts trying to reduce its global destruction to a local disaster is not working. [/QUOTE]

    You are incorrect. Science reviews everything. Science reviews the writings of the Bible to check their veracity, no worship is involved. Thanks to reviewing everything, scientists -as an example- read the prescription of one of those Old Western sellers of health products, and this woman assured that "eating only grapes for two weeks will clear up cancerous tumors". Scientists took the essence of grape seeds and test on mice with cancerous tumors. The tumors indeed reduced their size. That woman was not wrong after all.

    Science, when applied, will review everything, even claims of miracles and etc.

    Cheers.
     
  16. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    Yup. and over there in Middle East you obtain the best of the best

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    . In my neighborhood was very expensive but extremely effective.
     
  17. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    Yup, soft tissue of an Egyptian mummy lasts no more than 5,000 years but the dino's soft tissue lasts 80 million years... What are you suggesting, that the dino took uranium pills?
     
  18. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    C14 was found in the dino's blood (soft tissue for you).

    C14 has been found even in coal.

    Your science is debunked.
     
  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    If the US straight out legalizes weed, expect another in the Middle East.


    Jesus, did wine so God is down with the drink, yes?
     
  20. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I can't tell because they are supposed to be two different persons, you know, one the father, the other the son.

    However, you are right on the path with one thing, the son didn't do anything by their own but he just did what he was told to do by his father.

    According to the Bible, Noah also did what God told him to do. Good boys... I will grade them with A+
     
  21. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    lol

    I'm guessing if God did my homework for me he wouldn't get it wrong. That is unless I was being punished for something.

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  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No, all your post shows is you are not capable of absorbing my explanation.

    Because it explains specifically how C14 can come to be in deeply buried things that spend millions of years in the earth. It is not of atmospheric origin, you see: there are other sources of C14, arising from minerals within the Earth.
     
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  23. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    You and your millions years for coal.Lol.

    Wake up, in a coal mine in the northeastern side was found deep inside fossils of animals, fossils of humans, trees and even primitive tools, In other coal mines, deep inside have been found elephant tusks. This kind of findings is getting more common now.

    The invention of those millions of years for life on earth is already a debunked theory.

    Again, you can state the universe is multimillions years old, after all nobody can confirm or deny such hypothesis and will stay as a conjecture forever.

    But, about life on earth, such is a different scenario. The ancient wrtings taken as religious scriptures narrate from witnees the several events they passed in those old times. Their records are corroborated by the findings.

    Noah's arc, by the description given in the Bible was a huge box, and the event happened when it was a sole continent in the world. About three generations after Noah, the huge continent split in the several continents of today. All of these happened just a few thousands years ago.
     

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