The Earth is flat

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by Saint, May 24, 2021.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong again!

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/preet-chandi-completes-south-pole-expedition-idnty/index.html
    You think there are plants growing at the North Pole? Growing in what? Pack ice? Did you get that from, perhaps, Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer, a cartoon showing Christmas trees growing at the North Pole?

    Your ignorance is . . . pretty remarkable?
    Why is it that cranks always base their beliefs on Youtube videos? It's like a cult.
     
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  3. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    If you are asking why you get more ice melt in Arctic compared to the Antarctic when the Sun is high in the sky (due to tilt) each each region, it is because the Arctic is all ocean and Antarctica is a land mass. You simply won't get as much ice build up in the first place in the open Sea. (Partially for the same reason that where I live, near the Ocean, we get milder winters than someone living further inland at the same latitude does.

    Except the math doesn't work out. If the Sun is over the Tropic of Capricorn (as it would be on the Winter Solstice) and the Sun is only 3000 miles away, Then, from the Arctic circle, some 6000 miles away, The Sun would be 26.5 degrees above the horizon. However, actual observation shows that on the Winter Solstice, the Sun is at the horizon.(not 26.5 degrees above it) And you can't even reasonably claim that the Arctic Circle and Tropic of Capricorn are just further apart than 6000 miles. In order for the Sun to be Just touching the horizon at the Arctic circle in this scenario, and with a flat Earth, they would have to be some 690,000 miles apart. And, the observer at the Arctic circle would be 230 times further from the sun than the tropical observer, and would see Sun as being 1/230 the size that the Tropical observer sees. (even with just the 6000 mile distance the Sun would be ~2.24 time further away and 1/2.24 as large*) This is not observed; the Sun is not noticeably smaller as seen from the Arctic circle on the Winter Solstice.

    * The fact that the visual size of the Sun would decrease, makes the distance between Tropic and Capricorn and Arctic circle problem even worse than the 690,000 miles above. That was calculated assuming no visual size difference. A smaller Sun disk means they have to be even further apart for someone at the Arctic to see the Sun touching the Horizon.
     
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  5. Guru Registered Senior Member

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    Nobody knows what the space is we see lights up in the sky at night - I do not trust NASA after the moon landing hoax - the only technological achievement that has never been replicated.


    Nobody is contesting there is a south pole base - I already mentioned in one of my replied that it is a controlled point and the tourists are taken to that barber pole south pole point.

    No they do not, there is not a single compass in the world which points to the south magnetic pole even when you go to the south pole the magnetic pull of south pole should be more than northpole since there is an alleged earth cuve between the observer and northpole if he is standing at the south pole

    For us yes, it makes sense because it is center of our earth pond. Are there other ponds with their own sun and moon maybe, just like you believe in alien planets I believe in these extra terrestrial alien ponds.

    If we were moving thru the space rotating revolving around our galaxy and then away from the "Big Bang" center all in different directions then we should not see the night sky same for 2 days forget about constellations repeating itself for thousands of years.

    It works the same on Flat earth model - you do not need a curve for seismic detectors to work.

    In the flat earth model all the stars, sun and moon rotate around the earth pond.

    We see different stars at different times of the year because the constellations are revolving around the center of Earth pond. The same constellation repeats every year and have been doing for thousands of years - this does not make sense on the globe model moving thru space.


    Season are more believable on flat earth than the globe. Season happens because we have hot sun and a cold Moon creating a wake in the higher atmosphere.

    The seasons are opposite because sun move to tropic of cancer from capricon. Please see the quote below.

    “The seasons are caused by the Sun’s circuit round the Earth in a spiral ecliptic. In the Winter Solstice (December 21st), the Sun is vertical over the Tropic of Capricorn. Looking South from London, he appears to make a small circuit in the Southern sky, during the same period he is seen to cross the sky at almost overhead in Cape Town, thus causing Summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the Summer Solstice (June 21st), the Sun is vertical over the Tropic of Cancer, (nearly overhead in London), while looking North from Cape Town, he appears to make a small circuit in the Northern sky, causing Winter in the Southern and Summer in the Northern Hemisphere.” -E. Eschini, “Foundations of Many Generations”

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    The measurement works same for Sun at a distance of 3000 miles. Heliocentrists’ astronomical figures always sound perfectly precise, but they have historically been notorious for regularly and drastically changing them to suit their various models. For instance, in his time Copernicus calculated the Sun’s distance from Earth to be 3,391,200 miles. The next century Johannes Kepler decided it was actually 12,376,800 miles away. Issac Newton once said, “It matters not whether we reckon it 28 or 54 million miles distant for either would do just as well!” How scientific!? Benjamin Martin calculated between 81 and 82 million miles, Thomas Dilworth claimed 93,726,900 miles, John Hind stated positively 95,298,260 miles, Benjamin Gould said more than 96 million miles, and Christian Mayer thought it was more than 104 million!


    Sorry don't know this answer at top of my head, does it only work on a globe model and fails on a flat earth model?

    I am not saying Flat earth is tilted I am saying the Heliocentric model requires earth to tilt as it makes an eliptical circle around sun.


    Cheers thanks for the good questions and not attacking me. I joined Sciforum way before reddit was even an idea because the discussions were mature and civil.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    How about SpaceX and Blue Origin? They have both launched manned missions that have taken people high enough to see the curve of the Earth (and even into orbit.)
    Nope. Adventurers regularly go there solo.
    Magnets have north and south poles. Even on a sphere.
    You do if you want to detect an earthquake on the other side of the planet.

    If the earth were flat, seismic waves would spread out in a circle. And if you had an earthquake in, say, Bermuda, then they would spread out in a circle. They would keep spreading until they hit (say) Australia then eventually get to Antarctica.

    However that doesn't happen. The point opposite Bermuda on the planet is Rottnest Island just off the coast of Australia. That's where the seismic waves hit last. They even hit Antarctica before they hit Rottnest Island.
    So the Sun, a star burning at about 6000 degrees Kelvin (about 10,000 degrees F) is in our atmosphere?

    Do you see any conflict there?
    In the picture you provide the sun would never set.
    Yes. The Earth's tilt gives rise to the seasons.
     
  8. Guru Registered Senior Member

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    So why am I am wrong again?? There are many people who have gone to Antarctica and back but like I said controlled where they go. I never said nobody has been to Antarctica.
    Sure must have walked 350 Miles to and fro from the base camp into Antarctica and back - does not prove anything I said wrong. She was allowed to go and come back after she got her necessary permission and the controllers also must be assessing for threats to their control parameter if people like this girl supports their narrative they will allow these events to take place. Flat earth model Antarctica goes on forever it might have other earth ponds beyond.

    I am comparing the 60 degree in Northern hemisphere to southern hemisphere - the number of plants and animal species should be similar based on globe model. And 60 degree north falls in Canada BTW.

    Why do you lean towards calling names or trying to call me ignorant? Sure we can agree to disagree. I have not called anyone any names or categorized them as ignorant though most of you guys have not made an attempt to learn more about what actual flat earthers believe in - while I have been in your shoe as a globe believer for all my life till 2017. And I am not even a religious or bible believer.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No one controlled where they go. They used navigational instruments to guide them - at one time things like sextants, clocks and compasses, nowadays GPS.
    The northern and southern hemisphere are nothing alike. The northern hemisphere has more than 2/3 of the Earth's land surface. The southern hemisphere not only has less than 1/3, but a big chunk of that is in Antarctica, a land that is nothing like the North pole since there's no land at the North pole, just ocean.

    Since they are nothing alike, their biomes are nothing alike either.
    Sorry, my bad. I will endeavor to not call you names, and make the division between you and Youtube cranks clearer.
     
  10. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    Calling a flat earther ignorant is not calling them names. They are ignorant of numerous things. I am ignorant of women's designer labels!

    All this crap about non-science but no explanations for the observable Earth and sky.

    a) Explain the setting (rising) Sun without a youtube video! The Moon sets and rises too.
    b) Explain why Southern hemisphere stars are not visible in the North and vice-versa.
    c) Why do stars rotate in opposite directions in each hemisphere?
    d) Astronomers both professional and amateur can see distant planets and their moons. These are all spinning. Explain this.
    e) Why is the Moon inverted in the Southern hemisphere?
    f) Why does South Africa see the same identical face as Australia at the same moment.
     
  11. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    Flat Earther accidentally proves to himself that the Earth is round in resurfaced clip (msn.com)
    "A clip from the documentary 2018 documentary Behind the Curve has gone viral on Reddit after it showed a flat Earther setting up an experiment to prove the Earth is flat, but actually proving the opposite. In the experiment, the flat Earther make holes in two pieces of board. The boards are a distance apart and he lines a camera up to point directly in the centre of both holes.
    If the Earth is flat, the theorist believes that someone should be able to shine a torch through both holes without any light being obscured due to the curvature of the Earth.

    The flat Earth conspiracy has baffled many – one person started a campaign to raise money to send flat Earthers to space to prove to them the planet is round, while others have managed to admit that they were wrong on their own. In the video, a graphic showed the theory explaining that if the Earth was round, the person would have to hold the torch above their head to account for the curvature so the camera could see the light through both holes.

    As the experiment unfolds, the person holds the torch at the same level as the holes, but no light appears on the camera. Next, they hold it above their heads and the light shows up. The conspiracy theorist appeared lost for words and can only respond, saying: “Interesting.” People in the comments who had seen the documentary and knew he remained a flat Earther despite this experiment were frustrated.

    One person commented: “If I remember correctly, he blamed it on twigs and leaves as well uneven terrain that caused the experiment to fail’.” Someone else added: “That's what makes me sad. This was a cool experiment! And it was successful! They were so close to doing science, but they fumbled at interpreting the results.” Another person said: “And I'm sure mental gymnastics were performed to still be a flat earther.” Someone else added: “Interesting.. as in. ‘Interesting that I’m a complete idiot’. He became a true scientist that day though.”


    Nothing new then, a total 100% slam dunk and he still fobs it off!
     
  12. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    I know that one. It's perspective. It's based on the geometrical fact that looking south from the northern hemisphere is the opposite of looking north from the southern hemisphere--there's a 180° shift.

    So if you are in the northern hemisphere, you can see what the perspective is in the southern by rotating your view by 180° -- Orion for instance, is then "upside down". Ok?

    Hang on, I better take some more meds.
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Guru:

    What keeps the Sun and the Moon up in the sky? Why don't they fall down onto the ground?

    Why, in general, do things fall to the ground when we drop them (apples, people, cars, balls, etc.)? Is the answer gravity? If so, why doesn't it apply to the Sun and the Moon? If not, then what makes things fall down?
     
  14. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    That image of the sun and moon over a flat earth really stretches things, don'tit?

    It says people living in Australia and New Zealand see the sun set over a southerly horizon (. Or that's what they see on this partikler orbit. The sun would appear to rise in the north. Santa Claus would be real.

    It says there's what looks like a spherical 'atmosphere' around the earth and the sun and moon loop around inside it.
    It says anyone who believes that's a real picture is a goddam moron.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe it's a real NASA picture that they have kept covered up, and just photoshopped the millions of pictures taken during the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Space Shuttle and ISS programs. And SpaceX and Blue Origins of course. And via amateur rocketry and ballooning. All fake. Only intrepid flat-Earthers could find out the TRUTH!
     
  16. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    See how, when you shift to three dimensions you have reflecting surfaces (arrgh, that word again).

    A flat reflecting mirror does a 180 in one more dimension (aka freedom to move). That is, you looking at a reflection of you, is you looking north from the southern hemisphere (the one you're in, mathematically, since if you switch it and say you're in the northern hemisphere, that's the identity).

    The "hemisphere in the mirror" is your abstraction of reflected 3d space. (.
     
  17. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Last try on this thread...
    Guru, how do you explain the results of Foucault's pendulum if Earth is not rotating?
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-earth-is-flat.164383/page-4#post-3691691

    Another question for luck...
    What is the explanation for the varying of 'speed' of the sun 'along' the Ecliptic if the Earth is flat and according to your picture the path of the sun's 'orbit' is parallel to Earth's surface.
    Your picture here↓
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-earth-is-flat.164383/page-5#post-3691759
     
  18. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    It's easy to prove the Earth is spherical. Just put a movie camera on a rocket and film the whole trip.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rocketcam


    A lot of these flat Earth-believers also say the moon missions were faked. I think they are mostly paid actors and disinfo agents who know the Earth is spherical. The theory is that the US government has paid public-relations agencies to try to discredit the research that shows the Apollo moon missions were faked and having flat Earth-believers say the moon landing were faked is their latest idea.

    Start watching this video at the 10:04 time mark.

    MoonFaker: Beware the Flat Earth Psyop
     
  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Magellan's expedition did all that 500 years ago.

    But even the Ancient Greeks knew the Earth was spherical in 300BC.
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Paid actors. Another grand conspiracy? Not really. Just the same old one repackaged.

    I think you're nuts for similar reasons you think the flat earthers are nuts. Understand?
     
  21. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    Really? You think that is easy? There was me thinking the Sun setting did that all on its own. Just normal observation and mathematics shows the lunacy.

    A lot of these crazy conspiracy nuts think everything is faked, I believe you are one such person. To my knowledge you believe almost every single conspiracy out there except the flat Earth and you have the audacity to suggest it is some sort of diversion. You are the diversion. Every topic you engage in has you taking the most insane and easily disproven route.

    I am fairly sure that very soon, many of your sources are going to be held accountable for the damage they cause to innocent people's lives - example>
    The UK terror survivors tracked down by ‘disaster trolls’ - BBC News
     
  22. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    A good number of those putting out videos pushing flat Earth or the Moon landing being faked aren't "true believers". They are grifters providing content to a target audience. They are "paid" in the sense of receiving donations to "help get the message out there" from the faithful, and selling merch.
     
  23. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    When I hear about a conspiracy, I use the scientific method* when I research it.. That's how I know that the moon landings were faked** and that 9/11 was an inside job***. You people obviously don't use the scientific method. You have foregone conclusions and you torture the science, hell or high water, to make it fit your conclusions.



    *
    https://www.google.com/search?q=sci...12j0i512l6.7255j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    **
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/more-proof-that-apollo-was-faked.164141/#post-3667627

    ***
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/9-11-was-an-inside-job.114344/page-68#post-3661147
     

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