The fatal flaw in Marxism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by BennyF, Nov 10, 2010.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The government requires that there be handicap ramps. In a building for example, the builder that can complete the project (with ramps) at the most competitive price (allocation) generally gets the contract. Especially if it isn't a government contract.

    Slavery isn't really a component of a free market system (it's not free). Market forces aren't involved in the allocations.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Right. But most ramps are part of city streets; every intersection has 4-8 of them. And those are paid for by your tax dollars.
    It is indeed part of it if you define black people as property and not people who deserve freedom - which is exactly what the south did.
    Of course they were. Better slaves sold for more money, and that money supported the slave ships and the slave brokers that brought them to auction. The fact that it was odious to us today mattered not at all to the people who ran the slave markets.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Slavery was the cornerstone of the market capitalist economic system in the US between 1750 or so and 1865.
    Ownership of slaves was allocated by free market exchange of stores of private capital. Slaves were bought and sold by dealers and at auctions, just as cattle and tractors are today.

    The slaves in the US were one of - if not the - largest stores of capital in the world, certainly the largest in the US by far, and the market for them was at least as "free" as the market for feeder pigs or combining services is now. The wealthy Confederate capitalists were loud and overt and explicit in their legal objections to abolition: it was seizure and theft of privately owned means of production, private capital, by the Federal government.

    This is elementary stuff. The fact that the political discussion of capitalism in the US is dominated by people who cannot and will not (they refuse to) recognize the relatively largest and most influential capitalist market in private property the US has ever maintained is all anyone needs to know about the source and direction, as well as the scale, of the major influences on US news media.

    And this isn't one of them: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/08/conservatives-karl-marx-jordan-peterson-ben-shapiro
    Sound familiar, forum reader?
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    So, BTW, is "labour" or, in the US "labor" a major component of the capitalist market.
    The calculations of cost/revenue, profit/loss regarding people who work for a living is exactly the same as those regarding supplies, overhead and mechanical equipment. Hence "human resources".
     
  8. river

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    The flaw in marxism , the most fundamental is the loss of , individualism and the loss of one's Own Destiny . Becoming a slave with no future hope of being anything else , but a slave , To the Government . The same as the Black slaves in slavery . No different .

    While both bath in luxury and Education .
     
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  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The fundamental differences between State ownership of a person and State political representation of that person - of people coerced into service at gunpoint and governments elected to serve - might be invisible to those who haven't read Marx (or Smith, or Keynes, or Kropotkin for that matter), but they are pointedly tangible and significant to the alert victims of rightwing authoritarian coup.

    This thread is overdue for a leftwing perspective on a time-tested and unarguable example of authoritarian rightwing victory over any manifestation of Marxist insight in real world politics - here's one: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/chile-coup-santiago-allende-social-democracy-september-11-2
     
  10. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Universal health insurance is UNAFFORDABLE!
    Free education for every good student is IMPOSSIBLE!
    Equality under the law is UNFAIR!
    The right to decent housing, clean water and wholesome food is SLAVERY!

    Do any of these idjits who think a reasonable life is too much to ask for have any idea who gave them that idea?
     
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