The First Cause of the Universe

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Asexperia, Apr 2, 2015.

  1. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The uncertainty principle says that we can know the position or the momentum of a particle, but not both of these at the same time. If we note the position of a particle in space, we can't tell its momentum. If we see it in motion to measure the momentum, we can't tell its exact position. There is uncertainty.

    The work around this is to use picture in picture. One picture or instrument will measure the position and ignore the momentum. The other picture will measure the momentum and ignore the position. Each camera does a possible task and does not worry about the other or uncertain thing. We then use picture in picture, so both can be seen side by side, thereby removing the uncertainty via two certain tasks.

    What this thought experiment conceptually implied, is the uncertainty principle is due the phenomena existing in two references at the same time, with uncertainty created by assuming there is only one reference.

    Old fashion photography, which came decades before the uncertainty principle, already had data which could have allowed an explanation for the uncertainty principle, and the source of the dual reference. I may have been the first to put this together.

    This has to so with the phenomena of early photography called motion blur, as shown below. In motion blur, the shutter speed of the camera is slower than the action speed. Because a still photography stops time, but maintains a view of space/distance, the difference in speed, without time, appears as uncertainty in distance. We can sense motion in the photograph below, with time stopped, because the time is conserved as potential in distance. The uncertainty principle proves that space-time can also have excess space, if time is converting to distance; space-time+.

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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    There is no 'work around' the uncertainty principle. The uncertainty principle is not a limitation of our instrumentation, it is a fundamental physical limitation.
     
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  5. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    THE PHILOCHRON TABLE 2

    As a result of the previous topic Measurements of becoming we have an edition of the Philochron table.

    Before:
    PROPERTY ...... MAGNITUDE ....... MEASUREMENT
    space ..................... extension ................... length
    matter ................... mass .......................... weight
    becoming .............. duration ..................... time

    Now:
    ELEMENT ........... MAGNITUDE ......... MEASUREMENT
    space .......................... extension ................. length, area and volume
    matter ........................ mass ......................... weight
    matter ........................ energy ...................... work and power
    matter ........................ becoming ................. time and duration

    The universe consists of two elements: space and matter, plus their properties. Becoming is the inherent property of matter and bodies to experience sequential changes. It is the magnitude of change.

    PD: I haven't read the last two messages.

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  7. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    It is actually a physical limitation imposed by the concept of space-time.

    Motion blur, within still photos, is an artifact of time being stopped. With time stopped, the time within the speed difference delta (d/t) is zeroed, but is also conserved in the photo, to create uncertainty in position and momentum; d+/t=0.

    In the photo above, we can see the exact position of the cat's nose, but we can't tell his momentum by his nose. On the other hand, we can't tell the position of the background, due to the blur, but we have a sense of momentum with time stopped. The concept of space-time does not take into account time potential converting to distance potential.

    It is not about the instruments, but is about stopping and converting time. Space-time intertwines space and time such that they never change out of proportion, which is not the case, as proven by uncertainty.
     
  8. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    In my opinion, a random universe POV allows politics to override science. An ordered universe allows science to lead politics because political smoke and mirrors works better with uncertainty. Uncertainty stimulates emotions, whereas pure logic does not generate emotions.

    If coffee is good for you today, but bad for you next year, due to statical studies, science looks indecisive, because it does not give us any reasons, just a whimsical verdict. A change of this verdict; now the opposite is true, is similar to a woman's prerogative. This changing of the mind, allows opportunist to make money or power, whether coffee is good or bad. The uncertainty of change adds the ebb and flow of emotions.

    Coffee can then be sales pitched, using the uncertainty of good emotions, as the new miracle drink. Or it can be used as a political issue, by a concerned leader, to create a law that is hard to remove, even if a later study reverses the impact of coffee. They just need to wait for science to change its mind, again.

    On the other hand, the age of enlightenment required logic and reason, for why coffee was good or bad, not just some ebb and flow opinion based on a math oracle. Corruption works better within a random universe. In an ordered universe, the rational scientists are relied upon to know the answers.


    The uncertainty principle is the cornerstone theory for the random universe perception. Quantum lowered the number of options, loading the dice of the universe. This said order had been added to the universe. But this was trumped with uncertainty.

    Motion blur is a type of experiment that documents a time to distance conversion. The time to distance conversion appears to conserve motion, even with time stopped, via an uncertainty in distance, that the brain interprets as motion. The line between time and space being different is blurred. One can fine tune the level of uncertainty by tweaking the action and shutter speed and their difference.

    This uncertainty effect in the lab, is not due to the instruments, but is due the interaction between inertial and energy references; matter in motion via energy. The action is due to energy at C; the speed of light, while the shutter speed is being defined by the inertial particle/wave speed. When we take a picture, we will always see the uncertainty due to the time to distance conversion between these references.
     
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  9. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    So there is no 'work around'.

    No time is not stopped. Motion blur is due to the relatively long time that the shutter was open compared to the speed of the subject.

    This is gibberish.

    More gibberish.
     
  10. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    In Quantum Physics, when we measure the position of a particle we can not measure its speed or frequency and vice-versa. This is a typical condition of the particles and not measuring instruments.

    Posted by origin:
    "There is no 'work around' the uncertainty principle. The uncertainty principle is not a limitation of our instrumentation, it is a fundamental physical limitation".

    That's correct.
     
  11. river

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    True

    But I think that WHY this is true , is because the particle is simply going too fast , in an extremely small space .

    I think this way about this dilemma :

    If I take a mustang and go full throttle to a certain momentum , I can measure the speed and position at any moment of its movement . Why though ? Because of this cars size AND because of the size of the space in which it moves . The larger the object and the space inwhich it moves , the easier it is to measure pretty much anything you want.

    Hence , the uncertainty principle is about the size and speed of the particle and the space in which it resides , nothing more or less .
     
  12. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    The thing I want to know, about ww, is how can he be so explicitly wrong about everything he talks about.
     
  13. river

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    Both pictures would have to happen at exactly the same moment
     
  14. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    True but he states it with such conviction.

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  15. river

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    Disagree

    Time has nothing
    Hmm... Define philochrony or philocron time better
     

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