The Funniest Denial of Science and Reason That I Have Ever Heard

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by Eugene Shubert, Mar 21, 2015.

  1. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

    Engineers and architects? Meh. What do they know?

    Show me an accountant who disagrees with human-influenced climate change and maybe I'll take it seriously.
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  3. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

    They know it's impossible for steel-framed high-rise buildings to collapse at free fall rates and to have all the concrete in them be pulverized to dust on the way down without explosives.
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

    *shakes head*
    There is a reason this is in the Conspiracies section after all... I'll give you this Eugene, at least you attempt to provide evidence - that's more than most in this section ever do. The evidence is flawed, admittedly, but at least you make the attempt, so bravo for that.

    This sounds a lot like something we've heard here before... Leopold, is that you?
  8. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

    Yes, discussing pure science and factual evidence in the context of a disapproved social application is forbidden by the masters of mankind. And disagreeing with the masters upsets the church of the holy brotherhood. Indisputably, your church doesn't want to be reminded of the high standards of decency and their servile mindset that willfully compromises with evil. It's called guilt.

    Your job then is to manage the chorus and silence criticism -- making sure that everyone is lining up, singing hosannas and praising your leaders.

    I was just citing common knowledge thought important by the Truther movement. There are many of us. No, I am not Leopold.
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2015
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

    The truther movement should go back underground and let real science continue unimpeded... maybe then we'd have proper ways to cast off the shackles of fossil fuel dependence
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Here's the latest member of the Holy Brotherhood of Paid Lackeys:

    What’s It Going to Take?
    Daily Beast

    Armageddon for Climate Change Deniers
    A leading climate change-denying ‘scientist’ was exposed as a liar and a fraud this weekend—but the Vast Climate Conspiracy Theory still has a lock on Republicans.
    For decades, the fossil-fuel industry has been underwriting a huge, successful campaign to lie about climate change. Like the tobacco industry before it, energy companies have created a body of pseudoscience, created by paid lackeys, and successfully co-opted the mainstream of the Republican Party to their “point of view.”

    This week, that campaign took a serious body blow, as one of its leading pseudo-scientific voices - Wei-Hock Soon - was exposed as a liar and a fraud, having accepted millions of corporate dollars to pose as a climate-change skeptic.

    Why are so many "skeptical scientists" paid shills for the oil industry? Simple - follow the money.
    Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study

    Ian Sample, science correspondent
    Friday 2 February 2007 10.11 EST Last modified on Thursday 11 October 2007 10.11 EDT

    Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

    Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.

    The UN report was written by international experts and is widely regarded as the most comprehensive review yet of climate change science. It will underpin international negotiations on new emissions targets to succeed the Kyoto agreement, the first phase of which expires in 2012. World governments were given a draft last year and invited to comment.

    The AEI has received more than $1.6m from ExxonMobil and more than 20 of its staff have worked as consultants to the Bush administration. Lee Raymond, a former head of ExxonMobil, is the vice-chairman of AEI's board of trustees.

    The letters, sent to scientists in Britain, the US and elsewhere, attack the UN's panel as "resistant to reasonable criticism and dissent and prone to summary conclusions that are poorly supported by the analytical work" and ask for essays that "thoughtfully explore the limitations of climate model outputs".
    "Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort
    December 23, 2013 |By Douglas Fischer and The Daily Climate

    The largest, most-consistent money fueling the climate denial movement are a number of well-funded conservative foundations built with so-called "dark money," or concealed donations, according to an analysis released Friday afternoon.

    The study, by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert Brulle, is the first academic effort to probe the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the climate denial movement.

    It found that the amount of money flowing through third-party, pass-through foundations like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital, whose funding cannot be traced, has risen dramatically over the past five years.

    In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.

    Meanwhile the traceable cash flow from more traditional sources, such as Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, has disappeared.

    From 2003 to 2007, Koch Affiliated Foundations and the ExxonMobil Foundation were "heavily involved" in funding climate change denial efforts. But Exxon hasn't made a publically traceable contribution since 2008, and Koch's efforts dramatically declined, Brulle said. Coinciding with a decline in traceable funding, Brulle found a dramatic rise in the cash flowing to denial organizations from DonorsTrust, a donor-directed foundation whose funders cannot be traced. This one foundation, the assessment found, now accounts for 25 percent of all traceable foundation funding used by organizations promoting the systematic denial of climate change.
  11. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

    (shakes head) ridiculous.....
  12. Eugene Shubert Valued Senior Member

    So you're stuck in the artificially created false paradigm by choice and refuse to listen? Currently, the truther movement only promotes the forbidden truths surrounding 9/11. I'm happy to extend it to also lower atmospheric CO2 by promoting the only rational and practical solution, as I've already said. Credit for the only sensible approach goes to Jack Herer and Freeman Dyson. Sadly, you're too busy stifling dissent to listen to their ideas.

    Their solution takes care of fossil fuel dependence.
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2015
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

    And troothers wonder why nobody takes them seriously.
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  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Yes indeed. Nuttier than squirrel shit

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