The Holy Quran

Sure you wasn't debating the Bible and it's influence over modern western secular laws?.

 

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That also applies.

 

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So which Surah and ayaat of the Quran are you discussing.

 

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You tell me. Which parts condemn homosexuals to death?

 

You said you were talking about it, I wasn't. Give me the Surah and ayaat and I wil explain to you what it means.

 

I was wondering about the Quranic basis for oppressive laws against human rights in Islamic regimes, if you don't want to defend them, I sympathize with you.

 

Would you present a Quranic verse from the OP source Jannah.org to me for discussion. Show me which Ayaat you are refering too.

 

I was talking about the practice of putting gays to death in Muslim regimes. Are you saying this isn't a proper interpretation of Islam?

 

Yes it is an interpretation of Abrahamic Law.

 

I do believe

We are on topic. and let me you, the only time in my life a man told me he was in love with me was a muslim student so they have the same problems than other people, he did tell me he believed you dont have an homosexual contact unless during the contact you penetrate the other or let the other to penetrate you, everything else is a friendly contact he really believed that and I chose to be heterosexual let me think' yea in the hospital when I was borne.

 

yea

I want to know how they explain that, as a matter of fact in muslim countries the homosexuality is rampant. The sexes are really segregated so is very comun
to have close contacts with your buddies.

 

The only one with a problem is you.

 

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Hey salam

Why you dont post why your own mother can not own property and drive a car in a Muslim country... I should have some very convincing statements from your book...

 

putting gays to death?
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well a short answer would be; the whole social structure is different.

"being" gay trashes something that society holds so important it's ready to kill to prevent.

of course i believe there is no such thing in western societies, individual freedom comes first to everything else i believe.
is there a death penalty in america?

 

What is that thing that they are willing to kill people to prevent?

There is a death penalty in America, but not in every state. And I'm against it.

 

well this'll be hard to explain if you don't believe there's a crime whatsoever that deserves death[other than self defense], or can't conceive of values a society is willing to sacrifice some elements of its being to maintain.

for example, one i hope has much shared ground; in saudi arabia i think they jail drug abusers, but kill drug traffickers, reasoning behind it is that abusers are killing themselves as useful cells in society, and are dragging it down by their actions and influence.
but drug traffickers' damage exceeds their own and direct environment to others, and are a major source of instability and damage in society, so like cancer cells, they are not cured but destroyed.

you may say why not rehabilitate them? well it's seen by many as a "punishment" that "encourages" more drug trafficking, not scare people out of it. and hence isn't helping in truly solving the problem, while the death penalty is.

 

I do believe there are crimes that deserve death, I just don't believe that the judicial system is infallible and you cannot appeal the death penalty.

I fail to see what the damage might be to a society that allows same sex adults to love each other.

 

Those 'sacrificeable elements' being in this case...gay people.

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....ربما كان السكوت جواباً ...rubbama kana as-sukootu jawaaban.

It amazes me sometimes how near religious reactionaries like scifes are to drawing lots for a good stoning.