The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything

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  1. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    Why do you think I copy from CFI?
    The Conscious Light Screen is my idea and is on my website.
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    OK you copy (perhaps duplicate would fit better) from your own website

    Seeking a bigger audience?

    AND

    Any idea how this CLS handles depth? And where / who did this, what ever it is originate?

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    You made a sarcastic comment about your left big toe. I thought this would give more understanding of what I was saying. Depth is a good Illusion. Where in the Neurons does this happen? How is it that we can Experience the Depth? These are all fundamental problems related to the Hard Problem of Conscious Experience.
     
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  7. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Once again - not mysterious. Binaural vision.
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Well well it is very clear you don't understand the Conscious Light Screen because you cannot give a explanation of how it works

    And that makes perfect sense, absolutely perfect sense because, as per thread heading

    The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything

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  9. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    I understand that the Conscious Light Screen Exists and I show you how to realize it. Nobody knows how Conscious Experience works, that is the Hard Problem.

    You did not fully read the OP because it says the Brain is Incapable, but it specifies that the Conscious Mind that is Connected to the Brain is quite capable.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    How do you understand HOW the conscious mind is connected to brain?

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  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Oh sorry to all members of this forum only Steve Klinko will understand the photo because I don't understand the photo (or any thing else) but something
    Conscious Mind something Connected something Brain Steve Klinko capable has can understand

    Someone explain something to me

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  12. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    Emphasizing The Connection Perspective

    The Scientific and Physicalist view is that Consciousness is somehow located in the Neurons or is an Emergent Property of Neural Activity. It is a reasonable assumption given that Conscious Activity is Correlated with Neural Activity. But Science has no Theory, Hypothesis, or even a Speculation about how Consciousness could be in the Neurons or an Emergent Property. Science has not been able to show for example, how something like the Experience of Redness is some kind of effect of Neural Activity. In fact, the more you think about the Redness Experience and then think about Neural Activity, the less likely it seems that the Redness Experience is actually some sort of Neural Activity. Science has tried in vain for a hundred years to figure this out. If the Experience of Redness actually was in the Neurons, Science would have had a lot to say about it by now. Something has got to be wrong with their perspective on the problem.

    The Inter Mind Model can accommodate Consciousness as being in the Neurons or an Emergent Property, but it can also accommodate other concepts of Consciousness. The Inter Mind Model is structurally a Connection Model, in the sense that the Physical Mind (PM) is connected to the Inter Mind (IM) which is connected to the Conscious Mind (CM). These Connections might be conceptual where all three Minds are actually in the Neurons or an Emergent Property. But these Connections might have more reality to them where the PM, the IM, and the CM are separate things. I will Speculate that the situation is more like the latter than the former. In that case the PM, which is in Physical Space (PSp), uses the IM to create a Connection to the CM, which is in Conscious Space (CSp). The important perspective change here is that the PM is Connected to the CM, rather than assuming that the PM contains the CM as part of the PM. This allows the CM to be a thing in itself existing in it’s own CSp.

    The inability of Science to solve the problem of Consciousness is the main driver for looking at other perspectives. Insisting that Consciousness is in the Neurons or is just some artifact of Neural Activity is getting us nowhere. Not only is Science unable to Explain Consciousness as Neural Activity, it is also unable to provide the first clue as to what something like the Experience of Redness actually is. Things like Redness, the Standard A Tone, and the Salty Taste, are Conscious Experiences. These kinds of Conscious Experiences are some sort of Phenomena that exist in the Reality of the Manifest Universe, but they are in a Category of Phenomena that Science cannot yet explain. It is therefore Sensible and Logical to Speculate a place for them to exist. This of Course is CSp.

    At the developmental level we now will have the PM developing in PSp and a separate CM developing in CSp. There is also an IM which is developing the Connections between the PM and the CM. The CM is no longer trapped in the PM which is in PSp. The CM now has a separate development and existence in CSp. Maybe an IM, along with a CM, inhabits and uses a PM from conception. The IM and CM grow as a particular PM grows. First there is only one Neuron, then there are two, then three, and four, and so on until a fully formed PM, IM, and CM are produced. Could an IM attach to a fully formed PM and just start using it? Or does an IM need to grow as a PM grows in order to properly use it? There is probably a developmental aspect involved in PM, IM, and CM connections. The act of growing from a single Neuron might be absolutely necessary for an IM and CM to exist. The IM might eventually be in contact with every Neuron in the PM. Maybe the only way an IM can be in control of trillions of Neurons is if, as the PM slowly develops, the IM learns how to use each cell. It is thought that it is possible that recognition of objects and faces comes down to one Neuron firing. An IM must know what that particular Neuron means when it fires in order to send a feeling of Recognition to a CM.

    We can make some statements about things that are in the CM and things that are in the PM. For example, the CM is where the Experiences of Redness, the Standard A Tone, and the Salty Taste are located. The CM is also where the Conscious Self is located. Examples of things that are located in the PM are Memory, Pattern Recognition, Eye Convergence/Tracking, and Balance.

    Separating the CM from the PM allows a whole new Perspective for understanding various operational aspects of Consciousness. Some previous experimental deductions and conclusions about Consciousness may have to be overturned when using this new Perspective. For example, this separation provides a new way of understanding the effect of Anesthesia. With the old Perspective the reasoning was like this: The Neural Activity was halted and Consciousness seemed to also be halted so therefore Consciousness must be in the Neurons. With the new Perspective the reasoning would be: The Neural Activity was halted and Consciousness seemed to be halted so therefore the Connection must have been interrupted. With this new Perspective, Consciousness itself was not halted but rather the Connection from the PM to the CM was interrupted. We don't know what the CM does during an interruption. But since Anesthesia can halt Memory operations, the PM will not have been able to save any Memories of the interruption, that could be accessed by the CM after the Connection is reestablished.

    It is time for Science to think more outside the Box with regard to Consciousness, and hopefully this Connection Perspective will inspire Research in new directions that might someday solve the Problem of Consciousness.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    No such animal
    Another non animal
    You keep rabbiting on about Experiences about stuff which are ASSOCIATIONS
    • see colour red
    • what is that?
    • colour red
    • know colour red
    • next time see red
    • ASSOCIATION kicks in
    This of Course is CSp - Of course it is. Slaps forehead

    And what is the evidence for Csp?

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  14. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    I said: It is therefore Sensible and Logical to Speculate ...
    Do you know what Speculate means?
     
  15. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    From the current context, I'd say speculation = pulling stuff out of your ass.
     
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  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    GIVEN that sensible - logical - speculate and the ability to use them on a complex electronic device requires a large amount understanding and further GIVEN your statement, as per title of thread
    The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything I speculate it is sensible and logical gmilam might well be correct

    My own theory is you are being manipulated by one of your big toes since it appears to contain the understanding your brain lacks

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  17. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    My Big Toe is telling me that the Productivity on this thread has about run out.
     
  18. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    When it comes to understanding Consciousness, Speculation is all there is. If someone could pull the answer to the problem of Consciousness out of their Ass, then their Ass would be up for a Noble Prize.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Does science have a TOE of the universe?
    If not does that mean we have no understanding of how things work?

    Do you realize that the human brain alone contains more neural synapses that a large collection of Milky Way sized galaxies?

    Stunning details of brain connections revealed
    Date: November 17, 2010
    Source: Stanford University Medical Center
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101117121803.htm#

    And you expect a comprehensive map with algorithmic coind which explain in detail the function of the entire neural net work in the brain?
     
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  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So it's true you are going for a Nobel Prize

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    I understand that the Brain is Capable of understanding , what we know.

    This OP is so wrong . But a challenging statement .
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It isn't a neural activity. You are making it much too complicated. Redness is a sensory sensitivity to a specific wave length. That's why in some people Red is very much like Green a closely associated and overlapping wavelength.
    That mistaken identification proves that it is not the color but the wavelength that becomes eventually associated with an emotional response of red or green. It is a product of evolutionary cognition and internal symbolization.

    Vision started as a light sensitive patch, an electro-chemical interaction. Photo synthesis is an ancient natural method of imparting energy onto objects. All life has association with sensory electro-chemical reaction, distribution and eventual cellular recognition. Isn't it curious that humans cannot see infra-red at all, but we can feel it. Why do we call it red at all ? Because if you are exposed to it for a long period of time your skin burns and turns to a color we have symbolized as "red". That has nothing to do with brain activity. That's pure biochemical reaction to an irritant or stimulant. Evolution and refined complexity does the rest.
     
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