The idea of a government cover-up.

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by garbonzo, Oct 17, 2015.

  1. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    It's not a case of needing it to be proven wrong - just shown to not be the most rational conclusion to the available evidence.
    And they condemn it after assessing it as not the most rational conclusion, and as such it becomes "a conspiracy theory" of the pejorative kind.
    Oh, I don't doubt that many use it to insult - but those who use it in and of itself as an argument against what is presented are being fallacious - and you should call them out on it - tell them to stick to the arguments presented.
    Please point to anyone here who has generalised in that manner with regard "all theories about conspiracies" - especially when you are of the mind that all secrets held by more than one person are effectively conspiracies.
    Call them out on it, then.
    At worst I would envisage that people have given the theory a cursory view upon which they have made their conclusion. But at no point have I seen anyone call it questionable simply because it is just such a theory.
    Please provide a single case of where someone has dismissed it out of hand for simply being called a "conspiracy theory" - where the person clearly hasn't considered the evidence?
    Of course conspiracies exist. Noone denies that. They are part and parcel of societal life. Noone has said that conspiracies don't exist, nor that theories about them are de facto wrong. You seem to want to play the victim to a crime that I am unaware has even been committed. I'm not saying it hasn't, but if you think it has then please enlighten me.
    Agreed - and often it just takes a cursory glance to conclude that the theory is simply not the most rational interpretation of events.
    Can that conclusion be wrong? Of course. Noone has said otherwise.
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    See post #11..
     
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  5. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Not.
     
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  7. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    except black project are the most funded of any government programs.

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    shrugs.
    but it's not like you actually know, correct ?
     
  8. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed.
    Post #11 is simply an example of an essay into the psychological make-up of those who believe in not just conspiracy theories that MR would include within his definition, but who believe in the type that gave rise to the pejorative term.
    There is also no indication within that post that the poster is dismissing all and every theory involving conspiracy - they are merely posting a view from a psychological point of view.
    So I agree with you, Russ, that post #11 simply does not qualify as an example of what I requested.

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  9. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    ahh, only if this were true.
     
  10. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    hilarious. are you ffucking serious.

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    shakes head.
    listen to yourself.

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    shakes head again.
     
  11. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I am not at liberty to say one way or another.

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  12. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    no. your contradictions are massively clear.

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  13. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    If you have issue, maybe you want to actually elaborate on what they are rather than perform a drive-by impersonation of a troll?
     
  14. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    how do and/or would you ,personally even know ?
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Pure crap.

    Well you apparently dont.
     
  16. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    ahh, so in other words" but it's not like you actually know, correct ? "
    as you pretend ?
     
  17. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    shrugs. it is as simple as YOUR drive by so-called pretending knowledge. correct ?
     
  18. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    hilarious... i'm a tier one scientist. i actually work for the topic at hand. what a continuous joke you continue to be.

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    shakes head.

    again, but it's not like you actually know, correct ?
     
  19. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    LIm.. what was that Dywyddyr ? simply crickets ????

    also are you V50 on PF ?
     
  20. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    It seems you're simply unable to elaborate and actually explain yourself when asked because you have nothing of substance to actually offer - other than to appeal to your own authority, that is. The good thing about forums is that no-one cares with what people are, only with the substance of what they say. And you're still sorely lacking on that front, preferring instead to simply be a troll.
    Ooh, you're a tier-1 scientist. I tremble at your feet.
    Get a life.
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't prevent you from being a deluded loon. (Nor do we have any corroboration for your claim).

    Actually I do.
    Let's look at publicly available figures:
    Snowden revealed that the US black budget for 2103 is "only" $52.6 billion. That's to cover ALL current black projects.
    Meanwhile...
    Last year they spent $851 billion on social security (or is that not a "government programme"?)
    Oh okay, how about $1.42 million per hour in foreign military assistance? That exceeds the entire black budget in just over 2 months.
    The F-35 alone is roughly $49 billion per year - and that doesn't include total operating costs.
    I.e. one single (white) programme costs 93% of the TOTAL budget for black programmes, so how can any single one of them - however many there are - be the "most funded"?
     
  22. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    hilariously pathetic..
    ummm okay what ever you choose.

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    shakes head.
    also, i notice you sidestepping my comment of you being able to actually know. but what ever. what ever you need to tell your pathetic self.

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    shrugs.
    is not, at least, holding one PhD makes one an authority. what is the point of an PhD in your own flawed mental thoughts ?
    i'm simply showing your fictitious-ness.

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    shrugs.
    would it not be nice if you actually knew/understood what this is, let alone what it meas, as you pretend you do ?
     
  23. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    ahh so because i have a career above mainstream, i'm deluded according to you ? hilarious.

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    hilarious.... seriously ? i'm amused of your level of fictitious-ness.
    again, LIm.. what was that Dywyddyr ? simply crickets ????

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    shakes head... hilariously pathetic.
     

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