The Impeachment of President Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Quantum Quack, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Rather than answering the question you arrogantly tell me what I have or have not read. This, in light of the fact I provided the rules of impeachment which obviously went right over your head or perhaps you didn't bother to read it. I won't pompously tell you that you didn't read it because that's something I wouldn't know for a fact. But, somehow you do know if others have or have not read something.

    That's the kind of statement one puts forth when they have no argument and can't answer simple questions. They just troll, instead.
     
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  3. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    But the way your constitution and elections are set up, adding a third party in just siphons votes from the other two parties and you end up with politicians having full control while winning less than 40% of the total vote.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, Trump has explained that parts of the Constitution are phony. What gullible fool would seriously contemplate a phony document?
     
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  7. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know about that but I do know why they give people Lt Colonel positions on retirement so that's a good enough reason not to believe in mediocrity.
     
  8. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    In the UK at the moment we have a Conservative party that has an 80-seat majority (largest conservative majority since ww2 at least) and they polled just 43.6% of the popular vote, due to our first-past-the-post system. In the previous election they polled c.42% of the popular vote and could only form a minority government (I.e. they had no majority, and relied on the DUP for support), leading to 3+ years of chaos.

    In the UK too many people see the 80-seat majority and say that the country has clearly spoken with regard to Brexit, yet the pro-Brexit parties only polled c.48% of the popular vote, and those supporting as a minimum a second referendum polled 52%. Yet the 80-seat majority gave the Conservatives effectively free rein to do what they want (aka hard Brexit).

    So if you want to see what 3+ party politics does to a country with a FPTP system, look no further than the UK. You at least usually end up with a government that is able to get things done. If you have proportional representation, as you tend to get on the European continent, you tend to end up with coalitions running the country. Some countries might have coalitions of many broadly like-minded parties, but others end up having to rerun the elections again when no government can be formed.

    Personally I’d like a system with some greater proportional representation, and feel that no party should have a majority in government unless they poll a majority of the popular vote. But we’re a long way from that, alas.
     
  9. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps, it would be of help to any conversation on the subject of you were to be a bit more specific.
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have a specific quote for that?
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You people with this phony emoluments clause” - do you not remember this, when Trump tried to profit from the G-7 summit by hosting it at his resort in Miami?
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That was already presented to you, but you either didn't read the article or didn't understand it. Trump supporters sure have short memories.
     
  13. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Which G7 are you referencing?
     
  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    OH
    "The article"
    the one with the crazy summation?
    read it
    not impressed.
     
  15. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You, along with all the Senators who voted to acquit Trump were not impressed. Criminals never are impressed by the law. One wonders how you all manage to look at yourselves in the mirror.
     
  16. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    We have the same issues in Canada. The only reason I think our system hasn't completely broken down yet is because the vote splitting has traditionally been relatively limited. We'll generally have two mainstream parties commanding most of the vote, while the next biggest party is usually in the running to replace one of the top two and therefore doesn't receive many votes until voters are ready en masse to make that swap. Insofar as other parties receive substantial votes without becoming mainstream, they tend to compete only in a select few regions such as is the case with the Bloc Quebecois, thus limiting the number of votes siphoned from national parties.

    We also have a comically rusty constitution that badly needs updating in many areas, but can't be updated without violating the constitution itself because a small numbered of privileged communities along the eastern coast have an effective veto on any changes. It's similar to how a small minority of politically privileged Americans such as Sculptor refuse to consider the nationwide benefits that would come from updating the US constitution with properly equal, democratic political representation and a sensible means for clear majorities to make changes as needed.
     
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  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    the minor parties might not win government but they can win parliamentary voting rights... ( seats)
    I tend to think that it is only when the parliamentary governments try to emulate the USA Congress/Presidential system, we end up with problems...but I really have no idea what I am talking about.... so excuse me..
     
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Are you forgetting the 4 democrats in the house who did their constitutional duty as they saw it by not voting for impeachment?

    The thing started out as an exercise in divisive partisan politics with scant regard (only lip service) to the constitution.
    What did you expect that it would end as?
     
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  19. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Did you see the one Republican Senator who knew for a fact Trump was guilty and voted accordingly?

    It started out with Trump committing high crimes and misdemeanors. Now, he's going on a childish rampage of revenge. Soon, he will do something so horrendous that no one in the country will accept as sane, then what will you be saying? How can you possibly believe he isn't an insane lunatic?
     
  20. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    you mean failed their constitutional duty. no one in the history of the us deserved to be impeached more than trump. that you can't see that says alot about how partisan you are.
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Do you really think so? Trump's supporters seem happy to acquiescence to anything that Trump does. Any further flouting of the rule of law by him is unlikely to change their minds. They're already in the habit of tolerating - even applauding, in some cases - his illegal activities.
     
  22. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    How is it that some people still stubbornly refuse to understand that Trump often "just says stuff". He exaggerates and pushes rhetoric to the hilt. His target audience understands rhetoric, but others just lose their simple, ever-loving literal minds.


    Straw man. No one said "no Republican senators voted to impeach".
    And since I don't watch Fox News, any correlation is just reality.
    Too bad you couldn't refute any point, and had to rely solely on a straw man and a genetic fallacy.


    Yet, you refute none of them.


    Liar! Lair!

    Meh, not much of an argument.
     
  23. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Please. Aside from parroting leftists, you couldn't articulate and support these claims of supposed "illegal activities". And when asked to, you beg off, claiming you have no horse in the race. If so, quit rooting for a team in a sport of which you've yet to demonstrate any understanding. Either learn enough about US law, politics, Constitution, etc. to present an informed argument, or quit pretending you have any clue. Because such rooting just comes off as a "leftists of the world unite" power grab, without any underlying principles whatsoever.
     

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