The Impeachment of President Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Quantum Quack, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,447
    he swore to put up a wall
    the republicans hold around 40% of the voting population
    but hold around 55% of the electorial seats
    the dems hold around 45% as a majority of total voters
    but he didnt do it

    so what does that say about the gerrymandering ?
    hhmm...

    meanwhile home of the free puts children in cages to live and call themselves leaders of the free world...

    popular support is the key
    that is why so much money has been invested in fighting crowd sourced civic action like climate change and womens rights.

    the realisation that true democracy undermines their power structures where they get all their money from is a scary thing for tin pot dictators.
    weather they are just playing the game for personal profit, or they want to live out their own dream as a modern day hitler in a picket fence morality.

    aging infrastructure resulting in houses exploding from leaking gas mains pipes
    flint water
    dakota pipe line
    ...
    repeal of affordable care act

    suing the makers of opioids...
    will they build a hospital that is free for the citizens with the money they get from it ?
    lol
    unlikely

    its just another war on drugs via a more complex blame game.
    advertising standards do not over rule government health regulation
    the reality that government health regulations failed to keep up with pharmacology is no excuse.
    that is their job
    and its a highly politicized one

    the pretend cure ... suing the Saklers
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/02/us/politics/second-amendment-supreme-court.html

    should the sacklers have withdrawn opioids from the market ?
    should the FDA have done their job by putting medicine and patient care first ?
    is that their job ?

    i can not envisage a solution from this path of action
    and ... it looks like some type of semi-political game a-foot
    why is the FDA and its directors not being called up to answer questions to help build a better FDA ?
    where is the government research institute that studys these type of things ?

    i think
    1st the govt needs to order an inquiry into the opioid process to quantify its basic mechanisms as a medication
    then apply some medical reason to the total conception
    then while at the same time having the FDA bring back all its Directors and top managers to collect as much information as possible to build a better FDA that can do the job they are supposed to be there for.

    then once that process is in play and they have some real tangible asset answers
    they can simply apply to the large corporates to seek some money to help fund it.

    but i think the ideological problem is that profit is set in front of the process and the mentality is you need to buy in like a gambling table.
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    23,328
    Down on two counts.... at least he is now restrained from soliciting election interference for 2020...if any thing that in it itself is a big win... imo
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,874
    Not really. I think the only important aspect is that at least what could be done was done. There is a mark in the history books. If it slows him down, that would be a plus but it's not something to count on.
     
    Vociferous and Quantum Quack like this.
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    23,328
    What do we know about Chief Justice John Roberts?
     
  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,874
    He will be neutral but it doesn't really matter who the "presider" is. The Senate is the jury and judge in this situation.
     
    Vociferous likes this.
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,549
    I hope this destroys Trump:

    I hope this destroys Republicans that have their noses so far stuck up Trump's butt.

    I believe former president Bush said "I'm a uniter not a divider." Trump is not Bush.

    Maybe evangelicals aren't all stupid.
     
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    37,891
    That's not his record. In Safford, the Court carved out an ignorance is bliss exception for public school officials strip-searching young girls. In Ricci, the Court carved out a how-dare-you exception faulting a public agency for following the law. By the one, the Court favored traditional male supremacism, even explicitly voiced by one of the more liberal Justices during the course of oral arguments; by the other, the Court favored traditionalist racial-ethnic disparate impact because it would be unfair to the advantaged to take away the advantage. And I think it was in Windsor when the Chief Justice either lied from the bench or showed breathtaking ignorance when he recalled pro bono work, and did not remember any malice or animus toward gay people in the Nineties. His dissenting tantrum in Obergefell is the stuff of legend; Roberts and Scalia were amazing in that one.

    If absolutely cornered within the impeachment framework, Roberts will simply defend the role and authority of the judiciary according to whatever Constitutional pretense necessity requires he should invent. But where he perceives openings, Chief Justice Roberts is known to abide political duty as if it is his true lodestar.
     
    Quantum Quack likes this.
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,874
    I'm not implying that he is a liberal judge. I'm implying that as the Presider he pretty much has no room to sway the outcome so that it's not particularly important to know much about Justice Roberts.
     
    Vociferous likes this.
  12. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    9,254
    From what I've read, Trump's impeachment won't slow down his ''popularity'' and in some regards, it might increase his chances of being reelected. If the best that the Democrats have to offer is Biden, not sure how that would be an improvement. Biden is a quasi-closet racist, sexist and cut from pretty much the same cloth as Trump.

    Gah, this is America's best.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    37,891
    The presiding judge of a trial isn't a mere figurehead. He rules on procedure, and even has a vote if the Senate deadlocks. Pretending Roberts "pretty much has no room to sway the outcome" in order to justify the continued ignorance of the assertion itself is pretty stupid.
     
  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,874
    Not changing your avatar is stupid but so what?
     
  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    23,328
    thanks. You have answered my next obvious question...
    He may indeed take on a pivotal role because as far as I can see the Democrats are effectively putting the entire Senate and Roberts on trial, along side with Trump.
    The Dems are gong to make it a purely constitutional issue and force a constitutional crisis if necessary.
    Delaying and conditional-izing the sending of the impeachment articles to the Senate is a very clever move IMO.

    Using a more satirical approach:
    The Dems are going to force the Republicans into declaring whether they are Russian agents or USA patriots.
    • If they vote NOT to remove, they are Russian agents ( anti constitution)
    • If they vote YES to remove, they are USA patriots ( pro-constitution)
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2019
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    23,328
    The Dems only have to find evidence that Trump is instructing Mitch McConnell and corruption of the senate is exposed...
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    Messages:
    39,421
    Trump supporters, if they understand the impeachment process at all, will wave it away as a political strategy rather than as a serious breach of constitutional principles. Politics in the United States is so polarised now that everything is viewed as a partisan issue. This is why all the Republicans voted against impeachment in the House and all but three Democrats voted for it. The merits of the arguments on both sides are beside the point for many, both in politics and outside it.

    Moreover, Trump supporters have so far been willing to forgive or ignore his misogyny and xenophobia, his constant lies, his incompetence and his misuse of the office of President to promote his own interests. Impeachment won't affect the vote of rusted-on supporters next time around.

    From this distance away (on the other side of the planet), none of the Democrat contenders for the Presidential nomination look particularly likely to win over many of the swinging voters, or to inspire those who do not vote to come out. It looks a lot like US voters are gearing up to give Trump another four years.

    On the bright side though, I thought Hillary would win back in 2016*, so maybe I'll be wrong about the next election, too.

    ---
    * To be fair, she did win the popular vote. But the US is rife with jerrymandering, and the electoral college system is an unfortunate anachronism that you appear to be stuck with.
     
    wegs likes this.
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,475
    The two Democratic leaders of the Senate and the House of Representatives are among hundreds of senators and representatives from both parties who refused to release their tax records. Just 17 out of the 535 members of Congress released their most recent tax forms or provided some similar documentation of their tax liabilities
    so..........................................
    ?
     
    Vociferous likes this.
  19. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,046
    Oh, we all know that unprecedented use of budget reconciliation was the ONLY reason Obamacare passed. That's how underhanded the Democrats are.
    You might try citing a page about budget reconciliation:
    Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Congress that expedites the passage of certain budgetary legislation in the United States Senate. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
     
  20. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,046
    "Constitutional" isn't a synonym for "judicial". And the Constitution clearly separates the Judicial and Legislative branches of government. So you only have your own ignorance to blame for spouting such buffoonery.
     
  21. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,046
    Relatively few Christians, much less Republicans, listened to Billy Graham, even before he died.


    Since the he has no authority in the ruling of an impeachment trial in the Senate, it's hard to fathom how you imagine any of this applies. Ignorance?

    No, he doesn't. There was a tie vote in the Senate for one of the articles of impeachment against Clinton. Rehnquist didn't get a tie-breaking vote. It just failed to carry. At this point, the ignorance is demonstrably your own.


    Ah, the ignorant leading the ignorant. No wonder you understand so little about US government and its Constitution.


    Sure, the guy responsible for historical economic growth and low minority unemployment is incompetent. Whatever you need to tell yourself. Your "misogyny and xenophobia, his constant lies, his incompetence and his misuse of the office of President to promote his own interests" are leftist perceptions.

    No, the electoral college is not anachronistic. It's a safeguard against the tyranny of the majority. And no, gerrymandering didn't win Trump the election.
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,447
    condemned by praise...

    any country that may wish the usa to falter would see it as simple global politics to project an idea that destabilizes that country as much as possible.

    for argument sake using the most touted russia

    why did russia not promote berny sanders while all the right wing media were calling him a communist ?

    logic dictates it far more plausible that if any promotion, russia would be promoting trump to undermine the country

    if they knew his feelings and intentions toward nato
    same about his intentions about over seas Aid.

    by promoting tump to a win knowing he would fracture the usas' global partnerships and weaken the usa currency driving up national debt as they lost manufacturing.

    is the usa stronger or weaker since trump took office ?
    FBI
    justice department
    federal offices(department) federal shut down
    etc etc ...

    has trump taking office strengthened the nation and brought it closer together, or divided it and set it against many of its allies ?
     
  23. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,549
    Says who?
     

Share This Page