The liberal v right wing mentality...

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by alexb123, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. birch Valued Senior Member

    Conservotards. Sometimes, i do wonder if the world would be better without conservatives. hopefully, they will die out soon. the things they say are so dishonest, it's often like you are getting punked or you are conversing with satan. it's just the extreme dishonesty and gall of them. the lack of shame and conscience but pure self-righteousness. it's like a reptilian brain but they are very strong, ya know, like one. the amygdala is strong in them. heh

    freedom of speech? they are the most oppressive hypocrites. their way or the highway. their truth or no truth. they only whine (always hypocritically) which is their virtue signaling and recreational outrage (always hypocritically) when they don't have the upperhand (because they are allergic to fairness) and can force their regime and will on others, including controlling the media.

    conservatives should stick to what they are good at and it's not thinking. oh, that's right. they are masters at hypocrisy, lies, dishonesty, and deception. oh, and they LOVE to squeeze, like a boa constrictor, the life and liberty out of anyone different or doesn't fit into their mold (even for the most benign of reasons) and they are just as lovable as one.
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

    this describes my stepfather to a T. white supremacist, republican, religious, narcissistic, controlling, dishonest, extraordinarily manipulative, jealous, malignant bigot.

    Do conservatives know that they undermine and victimize others and then blame them for failing? i think they are pure evil. they victimize and blame. this is because they really do not want fairness, they are the ones who want to stand on the shoulders of others they have subjugated with their god complex. they want people they can suppress, oppress and control to feel better than and inflate their sick ego.

    oh and what a communist, if it's in the reverse. no one is allowed to supercede him. his ego can't take it. nothing about truth or fairness. these people don't play fair but dirty, they will pull out all the stops to trip you up and weaken you behind any shade available and just as quickly put on the airs of a respectable and righteous, pillar of society with ease and no guilt/conscience but self-assurance in public. it's just all about power.

    ironicly, the conservative types are the ones responsible for the welfare system the most. There mind is a convoluted and twisted maze.

    Let's see: this fuker did not want me to be more educated than him, make more money than him, be happier than him, or do/have anything that would bruise his ego. Conservatives are not live and let live and they are not the type to just let people flourish and see where the chips fall. they have to control everything. they are smothering, supressing, controlling and the true parasites. once they've fuked you over enough, they can point the finger back at you and rail with the other devils and satanists in disguise how liberals are the problem and they are self-righteous upholders of dignity and all that is right in the world.

    and why conservatives are evil is because they are like malignant sociopaths in their thinking process. that ' freedom of speech' thing really makes me angry that they have the nerve to blame liberals for what they are most guilty of. they are like the proverbial devil. they really need to die off.

    anyone growing up in a conservative household knows those fukers don't respect freedom of speech or the rights of others to have their thoughts or opinons or their rights period because theirs is the only one that counts. and if they aren't doing that, it's because they are not showing their true colors at the moment for whatever reason. you have to remember that a conservative mind is always thinking in strategies, devoid of ethics. it's how to win and gain power. they are dogmatic and top-down.
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  5. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    Again, ad nauseam, show me where I said all black people are left. You can't, because it never happened...other than in your obviously fertile imagination (continuing to read things that simply are not written). You seem to miss operative words like "tend" so you can be a bigot and paint others as the stereotypes you imagine. There are Republican blacks, you know. Or would you claim those blacks are either somehow "less black" or "less conservative" than other blacks?

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    If you think black Republicans are less black (Uncle Tom) or somehow undifferentiated from the majority of black voters, you're a racist bigot.
    And again, ad nauseam, show me where I "crowed about how good the right are, when it comes to just how good they are at killing others". If you weren't too blinded with your bigoted rage, you'd see that a mockery of leftist incompetence does not equate to praise for right-wing lunacy or murder.

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    Seems like a non-sequitur. I'm not sure what referring to you by your gender is suppose to prove. And if you go back and look, I haven't referred to you as "woman" since you explicitly said "If you are going to refer to me or address me, I'd suggest using my name."
    "...people such as yourself" is exactly what a bigot would say (i.e. "you people")....always inferring some negative characteristics based solely on race, politics, or some other superficial trait. Notice how it's the bigot who claims they can decide when a question isn't really a question. Again, assuming negative things not in evidence other than by their stereotyping assumptions.
    Go look again, Bells. After your explicit suggestion, e.g. "If you are going to refer to me or address me, I'd suggest using my name", I have not referred to you in any other way. I may have earlier in that post, having not read to that point, because I read posts as I reply. Before this suggestion, you never made that explicit, nor did you repeat it. You've now clarified the rules...that don't allow ANYTHING but referring to others by user names. I appreciate that clarification immensely, as it will stop a lot of under the radar trolling around here. If it took me getting an infraction, that's a price worth paying.

    If your disgust alone were compelling, I wouldn't be allowed to post here at all, so you can see why I wouldn't take that alone very seriously.
    And which politicians pander to them the most?

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    If it were an equally right/left issue, as you seem to be asserting, why would anyone feel like a "defector"?

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    Why would anyone need to argue that "animal rights and welfare ... should be supported by the right" if it were already supported to the same degree as on the left?

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    Even granting a minority of right-wing animal right activists, where have you made any connection between those and activist terrorism?

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    The left is obviously mired in identity politics, and has pandered to these sorts of groups for ages. Denying that is just barking.
    The long term goals of most animal activists are completely at odds with capitalism, conservatism, mainstream politics, or with most religions. Animal activists, given the opportunity, would ban all animal consumption. They would ban animal exploitation and murder. They would end animal ownership and replace it with conservatorship, where the best interests of animals is the primary consideration. Those goals are in keeping with a future Socialist society, and defy the very roots of Capitalist economics.
    Again, is displeasure with the government enough to qualify as right-wing?
    Are leftists never anti-government? They certainly seem to be right now.

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  7. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    Where in the Bill of Rights does it exclude those with subnormal intelligence or disease?

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    How does that denial of basic rights differ from Democrat literacy tests during Jim Crow?

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    How does "Obama’s ban on gun sales for certain Social Security recipients" exaggerate it in any way?

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    And like "No fly, no buy", what other Constitutional right can be removed until you try to exercise it, find out you can't, and must petition the government to get back?

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    You're ignorantly conflating the two, BELLS. He did call for the Clinton era assault weapon ban to be reinstated, AND for those on the "no fly list" to be barred from purchasing firearms without due process. Those are two separate actions.
    The Clinton era ban expired in 2004, if you call that recent.

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    "No fly, no buy" is a completely separate issue, that deprives people of their Constitutional right without due process, contrary to both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.
    And? Everyone knew that it was what little he could do as a parting shot. At least, everyone knowledgeable about gun rights. That you interpret the headline as more than it was simply tells me you aren't knowledgeable about gun rights.
    Professor James Craig, now retired, and Rimstidt looked first at lead corrosion and whether lead is leaching into the water table or streams. "Lead metal is unstable when it is in contact with air and water. It corrodes and forms hydrocerrussite, the white coating seen on old bullets in museums. That slows corrosion," Rimstidt said.

    However some lead escapes, he said. "But we learned that it is absorbed in the top few inches of soil and does not migrate beyond that," Rimstidt said. "Lead is not very mobile. It does not wash away in surface or ground water."
    Fisheries and Wildlife professor Pat Scanlon was an investigator on the project until his death in 2003. "He found no evidence that birds were eating shot, but this portion of the research was not completed," Rimstidt said. "We are not saying that wildlife would not ingest lead, but it does not appear to be a problem on this range. Other shooting ranges may be different."
    And that's confined to a shooting range, not hunters over hundreds of acres.

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    ATF director Todd Jones was an Obama appointee that operated under Obama's attorney general and DOJ.
    And maybe you don't know the difference between an executive action and order.
    Executive Actions Versus Executive Orders
    Executive actions are any informal proposals or moves by the president. The term executive action itself is vague and can be used to describe almost anything the president calls on Congress or his administration to do. But many executive actions carry no legal weight. Those that do actually set policy can be invalidated by the courts or undone by legislation passed by Congress.

    The terms executive action and executive order are not interchangeable.

    Executive orders are legally binding and published in the Federal Register, though they also can be reversed by the courts and Congress.

    A good way to think of executive actions is a wish list of policies the president would like to see enacted.
    You cannot deny that the BATF action under Obama's administration was not on his "wish list".
  8. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    47 percent of blacks identify as liberal and 45 percent as conservative.
    Black voters use the group’s well-being as a proxy for their own interests; the “black utility heuristic.” Other studies suggest racial identity and social pressure shape blacks into an electoral monolith. The idea is that blacks vote similarly as a show of solidarity.
    So yes, more blacks self-identify as "liberal", and social pressure, such as calling black Republicans Uncle Toms, probably helps skew more toward Democrats. Just like social pressure against "being white" or "not a real black" keeps many from pursuing an education.

    Are you trying to say the majority of blacks don't identify as liberal?

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    Or are you just trying to blame it all on white racism, as if blacks do not have any motivations independent of white folks?

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  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Same place it says "due process of law" and "self defense".
    By not discriminating, and instead treating all citizens equally before the law.
    You mean every panicky wingnut hyperventilating about a black President. What an embarrassment that was, to your fellow American men.
    Yeah, that lead shot is a permanent part of the landscape right at the surface - it doesn't wash away. That's why it's still killing ducks and geese twenty five years after being banned for waterfowl shooting, accumulating in eagles and condors and crippling or killing them, and even in people: Sheet Lead in Ground Venison.pdf
    The same ones who "pander" to science and reality based matters in general. Non-Republicans, mostly, since the 1980s when the Republican Party started winning elections by campaigning against science and reason ("elites").
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    So you agree that at the most conservative estimate (self-identifying against social pressure, you claim) about half of US blacks are not only not "left", but actually conservative.

    And so we are never again going to see you try to claim BLM, or the black Democratic vote, or any of the trouble associated with black people as a race, is "left" - agreed? You are going to stop making that claim?
  11. Bells Staff Member

    Oh sorry, "overwhelmingly vote Democrat"..

    I really love it when you try to switch your arguments around. Funny as hell to watch, because you are simply so bad at these games. And I never said anything about African American Republicans, so why are you saying what I think or believe and apparently something something makes me a bigot? I mean, you are leaping ahead like a sasquatch on speed, trying to make connections and arguments that haven't even been made..

    Guess the part where you compared murderers by way of political affiliation and crowed about how incompetent the left are, you know, in comparison to the right in a discussion about murderers and terrorists.

    Bigoted rage? Syne, I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. Are you clutching those straws hard enough?

    And now the lie.. Actually, you did.

    Post 62:

    Post 65:

    Post 67:

    Stop lying.

    Oh, I was addressing it at you and your behaviour, Syne. You do this sort of crap often. It is a common trait with you. So when I say "people such as yourself", I mean people like you, who behave in such a repulsive manner.

    Oh, you mean you forgot when you started calling me "deary"?

    And I told you how it was coming across and told you that if you called me deary, I'd simply call you a twat (I think you even filed a report about that), because apparently that wasn't enough of a hint for you that it was not welcome and that my directly telling you it was condescending and patronising was also not enough for you to know or understand it wasn't welcome? One can assume that you are not allowed to mingle with the general population enough to be able to know or understand how to refer to others and how responses to you indicate displeasure.. Is that what the problem is, Syne?

    You then started to refer to me as "woman".

    So cut the crap, Syne. No one is buying it.
  12. Bells Staff Member

    Well both sides do. Read the articles linked.

    The point, Syne, is that they aren't left or right. They just are in their own little realm or sphere. So your listing them as being "left" terrorism, for example, is incorrect. The FBI don't even classify their eco terrorism as being "left". They have their own classification, I guess.

    They would be just as anti-Government as the tea-party were and are anti-Government.

    I guess your Bill of Rights has no sub section dealing with common sense.

    No, really, you are going to argue that 'he took our guns' because of a proposal or legislation that prevented people who are mentally ill or mentally incapacitated to the point where they are unable to understand or care for themselves or their own affairs, from obtaining firearms? Really?

    How low are you going to go, Syne?

    Ah wait, you answered that question already..

    Are you trying to compare black people to those who are mentally incapacitated or mentally ill, Syne?

    I'll give you some advice, you are treading dangerous waters, Syne.

    Exaggerate what?

    Well, you can ask your fellow conservatives. Those laws were brought in initially under them. Other Governments have simply expanded as necessary.

    Oh don't worry.. It's not just me who sees you as being repulsive.

    I didn't say they were the same issue...?

    It wasn't a parting shot or the least he could do.

    I mean honestly, anyone who cares about fishing and hunting understands the dangers of lead tackle and gun pellets. But the reaction was as though he was doing it on purpose, as a parting shot. Oh noes, he's taking your ammo away. He wasn't. You could still hunt with guns and fish with tackle that did not contain lead. So the reaction was as expected from the right.

    It was blown out of proportion, the right acted as though he was taking "traditional ammo" away, and wording it as though he was taking all bullets and ammunition away, when the reality was that he was not.

    The desire to ban lead fishing tackle and ammunition has been there for years, even under Bush, because of the harm it does to wildlife. Obama tried to implement it at the start of his administration. It has been banned for use against certain types of wildlife since the 1980's. And yet, when Obama tries to ban it on federal lands, the reaction from the right is immediately about gun control?

    So again, stop with the utter crap.

    You didn't read the whole of the link, did you?
  13. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    In the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments?
    Well...go ahead and show us where. Or...just keep spouting utter nonsense.
    Disenfranchisement by IQ or health is discrimination.
    Apparently all you know about real American men is what liberal rags tell you.
    Your link doesn't support your argument. For instance, where's info on lead ammo "banned for waterfowl shooting"? Evidence that surface lead is killing ducks and geese? Is your link just non-sequitur arm-waving?

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    Thanks for affirming the Democrats are the pandering identity politicians.
    It refutes your nonsense that most blacks are conservative.
    Apparently, you didn't bother reading the linked article.
    "4. Conservative positions on social issues actually didn’t matter."
    Conservative positions on issues like same-sex marriage and abortion are common among regular churchgoers, including black churchgoers. But for the most observant black voters — defined here as those who attended church weekly — the candidate’s stances on these social issues had virtually no effect on their voting choices.
    If conservative social issue don't effect their voting, even if they are socially conservative, it makes no difference. In actual results, they are liberal.
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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Embarrassing, wasn't it - all those liberal rags being right about your ignorance and gullibility and cowardice and immaturity and lack of adult competence. Making a complete and undignified fool of yourself in public does sting. Doing it continually for twenty years - W and then Obama and now Trump - and suddenly waking up, does more than sting - it can cripple. You guys are famous now, and that's hard to live down:

    But your denial phase has strung out for too long, and has made big trouble of its own. Man up, and get over it. This Trump mess you got us into is going to get worse before it gets better, and your country needs you to grow up. Now.

    You don't want this:
    The "identity" they pander to is that of responsible and informed American citizen - any race, any religion, any basic ideology (conservative, liberal, whatever). You can join that identity any time.
    What it proved, to you, is that BLM is supported by millions of conservative, rightwing black Americans, who vote Democratic.
    That was my point. I read it in the article, and linked it so you could read it too. Voting Democratic does not mean black people - or any other people, actually - are "Left". Your claim to the contrary is false.
    They are not liberal. Repeat that until it sinks in: these black people are not "left", they are not "liberal", they are rightwing conservative people. And if they vote they vote Democratic, nine times out of ten. They often don't vote, but they almost never vote Republican when they do.

    Why is that, do you think?
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  15. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    Wow, you actually managed to admit to your wild imagination run amok.
    From what argument do you imagine I "switched"?

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    You seemed to argue that most blacks weren't effectively liberal, so pointing out the distinction between most blacks and their Republican outliers seemed apropos. Maybe if you hadn't misrepresented what I had actually said, it wouldn't have come off as if you were making broad and bigoted generalizations about a whole race.

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    Your assumption of praise for murder was due solely to your bigotry toward your political opponents. I simply commented on the apparent incompetence...and even said it was a good thing.

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    No lie.
    I'll assume you haven't gotten to the part of that post saying, "I may have earlier in that post, having not read to that point, because I read posts as I reply."
    Again, "Notice how it's the bigot who claims they can decide when a question isn't really a question. Again, assuming negative things not in evidence other than by their stereotyping assumptions."
    Lots of people whine about how things come across on the internet. It's called tone policing, and it's a form of trolling, much like how concern trolls try to hide their real intent. If you think "deary" and "twat" are equivalent, you're daft. In the US, "twat" is profanity and nothing but insult, while "deary" can be friendly or mildly condescending. After you made it clear you didn't like it, I stopped, assuming you took it as the latter.

    Now that I've already stopped calling you "woman", you want to bring up "deary" again, like you're addicted to being offended.

    As you can see, I didn't lie. I stopped calling you "woman" as soon as I got to the part in your post explicitly saying to only call you by your name. "Suggestions" and offense are not the same as clarifying forum rules or making an explicit request. It's done now, Bells. Get over it already. Otherwise, I'll have to assume I have a much greater impact on you than I've heretofore assumed.

    Don't worry, I'm sure I'll find other ways to offend you.

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    None of your links make that argument.
    Again, not "traditionally" right or left is not the same as totally nonpartisan. You keep reading more into this than what is actually written.
    Again, does that alone make them right-wing? You seem to keep dodging a direct answer.
    Though such a ban would keep at least some people who pose a danger to themselves or others from owning guns, the strategy undoubtedly would also include numerous people who may just have a bad memory or difficulty balancing a checkbook, the critics argue.

    “Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe,” said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. “They are very different determinations.”

    Rosen said some [people] may avoid seeking help for mental health problems out of fear that they would be required to give up their guns.

    Ari Ne’eman, a member of the National Council on Disability, said the independent federal agency would oppose any policy that used assignment of a representative payee as a basis to take any fundamental right from people with disabilities.

    “The rep payee is an extraordinarily broad brush,” he said.
    There are already restrictions against the mentally ill buying guns, but any additional restrictions would have to be much better targeted than social security records alone and offer due process beforehand...not afterwards. That's the common sense of the Constitution's due process clauses.

    Again, if you were even half-informed on gun rights, you'd already know all this.
    You don't even seem to realize that people who can't manage their money are not necessarily mentally ill. So this comparison is a straw man.
    What he actually did. Duh.

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    Support that claim...or at least quit dodging the question.
    And apparently you're silly enough to think I care. Believe me, the feeling is mutual.
    You're too willfully ignorant to see the damage your own policies do to people like black families.
    From your lack of further argument, I'll assume your former one moot.
    Still reading more than what's written, huh?
    "considered more restrictions" is not a "desire to ban".
    It has been banned for waterfowl since 1991, not the 1980's.

    So again, stop reading imaginary crap into everything.

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    And you seem to be conflating the response to lead ammo in federal lands with the proposed ban on AR-15 ammo.
    Where's your argument?

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  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    So what we learn here, by that remarkable post, is that you posted a proposed expansion of the ban on lead ammo as indicating a nefarious Obama gungrabbing agenda, without any idea of what was going on.

    You had, and have, no idea why anyone did or would want to restrict lead ammo in the first place.

    What the hell are the adults in this country supposed to do with you guys? You're crashing around like belligerent drunks at a wedding, but you're family - just whamming you with 2X4 and kicking you to the curb is not an option.
  17. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    I didn't vote for Trump, so quit being a stereotyping bigot.
    BLM burning their own communities, welfare incentivizing single motherhood that is the single largest predictor of criminal behavior, drug use, and depression, abortion to deincentivize paternal responsibility, etc, etc..
    Yeah, "responsible and informed".

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    No such creature. Do you believe in bigfoot too?

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    No, voting Democrat means what conservative values they may have don't matter enough to them. That makes them defacto left.
    And where, pray tell, did you link that article?

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    They are either socially liberal, don't care that much about their conservative social issues and prioritize liberal welfare, and/or believe the liberal propaganda.
    How do you explain the difference between them and the blacks who do vote Republican?

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    You know, if they're all really conservative anyway.
    Can blacks not think for themselves, as individuals?

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  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    You guys got us into this Trump mess, you need to grow up and help get us out.
    So you obviously have not yet chosen to become informed and responsible, instead posting Repcore blathering. But you can change - you have no identity barrier to that status, as the Dem Party is not as rigidly identity based as the Rep Party is and has been since Reagan.
    You posted proof of that creature's existence - your link, your evidence. Do the arithmetic - more than half of black people are not liberal, almost none of them vote Republican.
    They are rightwing, conservative, people. Your claim that they are "left", was false.
    Referred to it, sorry - you apparently hadn't read you own link carefully, so I referenced it.
    You posted proof that they are not liberal, and that they care enough to identify themselves as "conservative - that also eliminates them believing liberal propaganda. So according to your link, which agrees perfectly with my posting here and so forth, you need another explanation.
    I don't. I simply point to the fact that your claim that they are "left" was false.
    And if you are assuming that the ones who vote Republican therefore do not support BLM - you have yet more to learn about the world outside the wingnut bubble.
  19. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    Again, I didn't vote for Trump, so you can quit your bigoted "you guys" nonsense.
    Notice how iceaura patently fails to refute even a single point.

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    The majority of blacks say they are liberal, so where are you getting your info?

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    Remember? It was from that same link:
    "47 percent of blacks identify as liberal and 45 percent as conservative."
    I think iceaura has confused himself.

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    Unsupported assertion.
    Read it again. It literally said more blacks identify as liberal.

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    Every black Republican, and even some Democrat, I know of does not support BLM. They're all over YouTube denouncing BLM nonsense. Go look for least if you're not afraid to have your denial refuted.

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  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Why would I care who you guys voted for?
    From your link, where 47% of the blacks surveyed said they were liberal. That's not a majority. A majority would be over 50% - do you need me to post link about that? Ok:
    It's supported by arithmetic, using your posted numbers and your inveterate confusion of "liberal" and "left": 45% conservative, less than 15% voting Republican, c'mon - even you can do that one.
    Comedy. Every Hawaiian I know plays the ukelele - they're all over Youtube, playing the ukelele.

    Most black conservatives vote Democratic or unaffiliated, remember? That's, like, the point - you can't use Party voting to indicate "left" among black people.

    btw: denouncing BLM's tactics or whatever is not the same thing as not supporting BLM. This is a subtle point, and I know you guys have trouble with this, but here's a way to think about it: you know how some white guys object to some of the NRA's tactics or positions, but they support the NRA anyway? Or how they might not agree with blockading and bombing Planned Parenthood offices, but they otherwise support the churches and organizations responsible? Imagine if you can that black people are complicated and multi-faceted like that, almost as if they were white.

    But I can't be too hard on you - as illustrations of the rightwing mentality, especially with regard to statistics and facts and stuff like that, your posts are excellent contributions to the thread.
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  21. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

    Bigot. When your little accusation about supporting Trump fails, you're happy to just resort to lumping anyone who disagrees with you in with anyone else you dislike. That is definitive bigotry. Look it up.

    Colloquially, majority simply means the greater number, but formally it would be a plurality. Either way, it still refutes your hogwash that most blacks are conservative. Seriously, you should go tell that to some actual blacks and see how well they like it.

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    Go tell them they are conservative, regardless of how they vote.
    Again, you need to learn the difference between social and fiscal conservatives.
    Why don't you EVER support your claims with facts? Show me all these conservative blacks who vote democrat, and demonstrate why they do. You won't because you can't.

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    Nope. Go look for yourself. They expressly denounce the notions that blacks are oppressed/disenfranchised by whites and that white privilege/institutional racism exists. Those are the crux of BLM. Do you have the nerve to go see if your assumptions hold water?

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  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    My "accusation" stands. You guys gave us Trump, just like you gave us W.
    Formally, plurality and majority are different words with different meanings. 10% of the population can be a plurality. A majority means more than 50%.
    I said no such thing. Why do you confuse your rhetorical twistings with my posts? Do you forget what you typed, different than what I typed?
    You did. You posted the stats, I pointed at them. According to your stats, at least 2/3 of the black people who label themselves "conservative" voted Democratic in the last election.
    Before that, I simply directed your attention to an obvious demographic situation you had mentioned earlier: a higher percentage of blacks than whites are demographically identical with typical Trump voters, but they vote Democratic as you said. (This has been true of other racial groups as well - Latinos and Hispanics are quite conservative socially and socioeconomically typical Republican core voters, but they also vote Democratic in general). Your attempted explanation made no sense. You have had time to think - have you come up with anything better?

    Or are you going to double down on your claim that blacks conservatives voting Democratic are as rare as Bigfoot sightings, and prove it with Youtube videos? (By the evidence a higher percentage of white people believe in Bigfoot than black people vote Republican - and they make lots of Youtube videos).
    Typical rightwing mentality: faced with overwhelming evidence, you guys post Youtube videos. Before that, it was talk radio rants. And you probably got them wrong anyway.

    Some do. Most don't - according to your posted statistics. Do you assume all Hawaiians play the ukelele? Lots of Youtube videos.
  23. birch Valued Senior Member

    this is conservative type of thinking. anything predatorial is fine as long as they are on top. conservatives like the idea of debt slavery in addition.


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