The morality of Evil and immorality of Good

ThazzarBaal

ThazzarBaal

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Seems backward doesn't it?

When is evil good and good evil, or is good never evil?

Calamity never seems good, struggle and hardship are rarely met with joy, but does this make them something to loath so much that we never learn from the experience at all? Also, pleasure is rarely met with contention or hate or loathing, but isn't it through pleasure that we make our worst mistakes in life?

Ethics? I'm not sure ethics are applicable here, but perhaps logic and critical thinking skills are.
 
What is evil ... An applicable definition common and accurate enough to be applied to everyone?
 
Both evil and good (whatever definition you might want to assign them) rarely occur in a vacuum of the other. More greys than blacks and whites.

Evil events certainly may have good side-effects (AKA, bright sides, silver-linings).
Good events may certainly have bad side-effects (AKA down-sides, flies-in-the-ointment).
 
ThazzarBaal said:
Seems backward doesn't it?

When is evil good and good evil, or is good never evil?

Calamity never seems good, struggle and hardship are rarely met with joy, but does this make them something to loath so much that we never learn from the experience at all? Also, pleasure is rarely met with contention or hate or loathing, but isn't it through pleasure that we make our worst mistakes in life?

Ethics? I'm not sure ethics are applicable here, but perhaps logic and critical thinking skills are.
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Evil has religious connotations for me, like sin.
Morals are not fixed so one man's good is another man's bad
Things we do at 20 we would not do now probably, even though they seemed good at the time.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Evil has religious connotations for me, like sin.
Morals are not fixed so one man's good is another man's bad
Things we do at 20 we would not do now probably, even though they seemed good at the time.
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Yup, but how would you define evil minus religious connotation? I view morality different than most who prescribe themselves to my faith based root system. If its true, it's right. If it isn't true it's wrong. That's about as basic as I can define my idea of morality. The difference between truth and error. Evil is another matter altogether for me. I view evil to be displeasing, detrimental, and/or harmful. I guess the balance is in logic and reason...at least when it comes to our choices. Individually speaking, id fit a Luciferian profile based on being truth driven as an individual. My individuality is what separates me from everyone else.

I'm a Christian btw, so my individuality I apply to a personal relationship with Christ ... The spirit of truth.
 
ThazzarBaal said:
Yup, but how would you define evil minus religious connotation? I view morality different than most who prescribe themselves to my faith based root system. If its true, it's right. If it isn't true it's wrong. That's about as basic as I can define my idea of morality. The difference between truth and error. Evil is another matter altogether for me. I view evil to be displeasing, detrimental, and/or harmful. I guess the balance is in logic and reason...at least when it comes to our choices. Individually speaking, id fit a Luciferian profile based on being truth driven as an individual. My individuality is what separates me from everyone else.

I'm a Christian btw, so my individuality I apply to a personal relationship with Christ ... The spirit of truth.
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I am happy enough with the word in some respects. Serial killers are evil, people who purposely hurt others or use people to benefit themselves like human trafficking are evil.
Is murder evil?
Any circumstances when it is not?
I will contend that there are circumstances.
 
Pinball1970 said:
I am happy enough with the word in some respects. Serial killers are evil, people who purposely hurt others or use people to benefit themselves like human trafficking are evil.
Is murder evil?
Any circumstances when it is not?
I will contend that there are circumstances.
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Yes, murder is evil, but sometimes killing is not wrong. Evil? That's debatable based on my definition of.
 
Pinball1970 said:
I am happy enough with the word in some respects. Serial killers are evil, people who purposely hurt others or use people to benefit themselves like human trafficking are evil.
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Military snipers are serial killers who get medals for purposely killing or injuring many, many people. Coyotes who get abused women and children across the border to escape their assaulters are human traffickers.

Are all those evil?
Is there killing in the OT? Evil or not?
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A huge amount. There's even a section where Moses tells his generals to murder every noncombatant in a city they conquered, except for the young girls who were virgins - "keep them for you and your troops."
 
billvon said:
Military snipers are serial killers who get medals for purposely killing or injuring many, many people. Coyotes who get abused women and children across the border to escape their assaulters are human traffickers.

Are all those evil?

A huge amount. There's even a section where Moses tells his generals to murder every noncombatant in a city they conquered, except for the young girls who were virgins - "keep them for you and your troops."
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Then your question is about people then as opposed to what people do. Are people inherently evil or do people find themselves in situations where evil is seemingly unavoidable? Is killing always wrong? No. Is it evil? I think maybe, but that's debatable. Are people evil? Not necessarily, but what we do sometimes is.
 
Pinball1970 said:
You mentioned getting your morals/ world view from the Bible
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No, I stated my morals are different. If its true it's right if it's untrue it's wrong. That's how I interpret truth and error. Verifiable evidence is needed, whether objective or subjective as an individual. The objective would be a common, the subjective personal to myself. My personal relationship with the spirit of truth ...
 
ThazzarBaal said:
No, I stated my morals are different. If its true it's right if it's untrue it's wrong. That's how I interpret truth and error. Verifiable evidence is needed, whether objective or subjective as an individual. The objective would be a common, the subjective personal to myself. My personal relationship with the spirit of truth ...
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So you agree some of the acts in the Bible are not moral?
 
ThazzarBaal said:
I view morality different than most who prescribe themselves to my faith based root system. If its true, it's right. If it isn't true it's wrong. That's about as basic as I can define my idea of morality.
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If what is true? Your religion? It is possible for a religion to be "non-factual" but still get some valid "moral lessons" from it.
 
gmilam said:
If what is true? Your religion? It is possible for a religion to be "non-factual" but still get some valid "moral lessons" from it.
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Are you being daft intentionally or just somehow misunderstanding my implications?

Take away religious views, like I stated already, then understand that true is right and untrue is wrong ... That's my concept of morality. The difference between truth and error. As for moral lessons ... I can get those from watching Beavis and Butthead cartoons.
 
I asked myself if I could find anything viewed to be immoral that doesn't have a truth violation attached. I couldn't, but maybe you could.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Both evil and good (whatever definition you might want to assign them) rarely occur in a vacuum of the other. More greys than blacks and whites.

Evil events certainly may have good side-effects (AKA, bright sides, silver-linings).
Good events may certainly have bad side-effects (AKA down-sides, flies-in-the-ointment).
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I must have missed this post. I can't disagree. I guess the tick tock would be in play. I wonder if that's true for everything and if it is, would we require greater understanding of consequence to best navigate action? I'm sure this is true, but this could get extremely complicated and difficult in terms of choices and reasons for.
 
ThazzarBaal said:
Take away religious views, like I stated already, then understand that true is right and untrue is wrong ... That's my concept of morality. The difference between truth and error. As for moral lessons ... I can get those from watching Beavis and Butthead cartoons.
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There must be some subtlety here that is going unstated.

Murder is true, therefore it is right?
 
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