The Mueller investigation.

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  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the elephant in the room now we see the massive amount of effort thrown into spying on usa citizens by other usa citizens

    it looks like they could not get into hilarys server so they spat the dummy and cried all the way to the election rallys.

    the obvious only legitimate counter to this reality would be proposing a change of law so all government departments, agency's & politicians & political partys, have their servers all run by a central agency that is able to look into what ever they like.

    Stasi ... ? lol!

    playing the transparency card as a false narrative to justice exploiting outside acts of violence to target the citizenry victims...
    i think that is purely dishonest

    ... how dare they have secrets i told you women could not be trusted !
    if the usa average republican was not such a misogynist pig it would not have won the election in the swing states. it would have lost the election.
    but they eat it up likes the pigs at the trough they are
    they wanted to believe it.
    it made them feel vindicated and validated
     
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  3. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Since he didn't indict her, there's really no way of knowing if he could convict. Besides, indictment is often sufficient in politics. He had plenty of evidence for both, had he not made up the intent excuse.
    Again, intent was never a criteria for that crime. Only negligence. Crimes of intent and negligence are mutually exclusive. You cannot be intentionally negligent. Either you have intent or you're negligent in any wrongdoing.

    I'm baffled that I even have to spell this out for you, as a simple understanding of basic English really should suffice.
    Or get someone in the executive branch to reinterpret laws only the judiciary should be reinterpreting. Apparently you don't even understand the separation of powers, but then leftists never have respected the Constitution (except cherry-picking parts that temporarily suit their agenda).
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    were any of them involved in that recent nuclear explosion near or in the Urals and the recent Nuke Submarine melt down...
    If they were then they may find the Siberian Gulag makes a great laboratory...for the study of Sodium Chloride close up... I guess... lol

    How many Russian scientists does it take to get a Vodka still working?

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    ( one for Cpt Bork)
     
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  7. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    It depends on the circumstances. Say, if there is a real war, and the US defense weapons do not work as promised, some US soldiers can, indeed, end up with singed hair and melted skin. But this same failure makes it less probable that the civilians of the attacked country end up with singed hair and melted skin.

    Corruption has, last but not least, an aim - the participants want to make money or get some other advantages (like no persecution of their crimes) and they don't care about the interests of the state or the taxpayers. Taking away money from the state, as well as preventing things considering useful by the state to be done (like imprisoning criminals) is, of course, harmful. But there is no evil intention to harm the state or so which would lead to singed hair and melted skin. Instead, as the corrupt politician, as well as the criminal who prevents imprisoning or the businessman selling cheap things for big money to the state is happy with the state remaining as it is.
    No. I simply do not care about the interests of the US American people, given that they support all the aggressions of all the US governments. I would not support war crimes like bombing towns far behind the frontlines to terrorize the civil population, which is a usual technique of US wars, even as a reaction to US aggression. But once the US becomes increasingly corrupt, it is their own fault - once they elect such corrupt politicians, there is no one else to blame, it is a democracy, not?

    In general, I know very well that corruption is bad for the population. Positive effects are unintended side effects, especially if corruption is the way police handle state wars against victimless crimes like prostitution, porn, drugs and so on. These are exceptions, not the rule.
    Nice description of the actual situation. The state is ruled by two essentially equally corrupt parties, and competitors have no real chance. We can even leave you your vote as long as you continue to vote for the corrupt politicians sold to you by our corrupt mass media.
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    can the government as an employer invade your personal life and trawl for breaches of employment policy using the court system ?

    is that american ?
     
  9. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    In America, if the government decides it has enough evidence to convict you of murder, but fails to win the conviction in court, they could later find a signed photo of you committing the murder, covered in both your blood and that of the victim, and you still wouldn't be placed back on trial because of the double jeopardy clause, can't be tried twice for the same crime. In Russia, folks like Schmelzer skin baby kittens alive if it's found convenient to blame them for the economic malaise (after putting them on trial and first giving the lil' fur balls a chance to answer for their heinous crimes, of course).
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not even close. The Republican Party is far more corrupt, and corrupted - has been for decades now.

    They even elect their corrupters to the offices themselves - eliminating the middleman, intensifying the role of corruption, as the Mueller report partly documented simply as a side implication, without even needing to focus.
    Often there is - as we see in the demolition of Federal scientific, regulatory, and enforcement agencies that impose on the wealthy, such as the IRS, SEC, EPA, FDA, etc into the hundreds.
     
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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Another wrinkle in the Mueller report tapestry: https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/12/08/how-the-mueller-investigation-changed-k-street/
     
  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    [#trumpswindle | #WhatTheyVotedFor]

    Notes on a Word Games

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    Variations on the theme:

    The standard conservative method involves attempting to not say anything explicitly untrue. (28 January 2017↗)

    The key to understanding Barr's letter using the word "summarize" that wasn't a summary really is to scrutinize what he says according to the point of how it is not a disqualifying lie. (6 April 2019↗)

    All attorneys have obligations toward integrity, conflict of interest, and basic appearances thereof. For all the dirty business we accuse lawyers of getting away with, there are some things that are supposed to be sacred. An attorney is not supposed to outright lie, and this actually looks like what happens when a lawyer verges up against that threshold. (7 April 2019↗)

    Anyway, it comes to mind because former federal prosecutor Barb McQuade↱ tweeted in re DoJ's response to Judge Walton asserting against Attorney General Barr's integrity vis à vis statements pertaining to the Mueller Report:

    Always consider Barr's statements for what they don't say. Judge Walton said Barr lacked candor in his public remarks and letter to Congress, which do not jibe with the Mueller Report. As a result, he does not trust Barr or DOJ.

    (boldface accent added)

    So I'm making a political point I shouldn't have to make. The former U.S. Attorney is making a real juristic point no attorney should ever have occasion to utter.

    This is what it takes. This is the trumpswindle. This is what they voted for.
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    @BarbMcQuade. "Always consider Barr’s statements for what they don’t say. Judge Walton said Barr lacked candor in his public remarks and letter to Congress, which do not jibe with the Mueller Report. As a result, he does not trust Barr or DOJ." Twitter. 7 March 2020. Twitter.com. 7 March 2020. http://bit.ly/39BPU0M
     
  13. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    As with everything else leftist, this will end up being a lot of nothing too. They love taking everything out of context (or they actually don't understand plain English), lying (or they actually don't know or understand the truth), and reading into stuff things that are not objectively there (or they actually believe what they imagine to be so). No wonder they appear to be nominating a senile old man. Similarity is comforting.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I can't believe this!
    Trump is not a senile old man? I believe he has demonstrated the exact definition of that expression. And there is nothing comforting about that!
     
  15. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    Taking statements out of context isn’t a left or right issue, it’s a universal practice in politics in general. Frequently in Trump’s case though, it’s broad context that exposes his questionable behavior. It’s exactly what led to his impeachment, and will likely lead to criminal charges when he leaves office.
    In 2016 many Republicans supported the nomination of a flawed terrible human being, and no, I’m not talking about Republicans who voted for Hillary.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/c/embed/5be6325b-e5d7-439c-8563-59b63a1d5a9b

    Back in 1984 Republicans supported the nomination of a candidate suffering from alzheimer's, so don’t fault us leftists if the political gods deal us another less than perfect candidate as well.
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    These Things Matter

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    Reporter Adam Klasfeld↱ describes a, "Second-order effect of Jason Leopold's FOIA win". More directly↱:

    Citing a federal judge's ruling slamming AG Barr's "distorted" summary of the Mueller report, Michael Cohen's attorney calls for a hearing in open court on DOJ opposing a sentence modification in his client's case.
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    @KlasfeldReports. "NEW: Citing a federal judge's ruling slamming AG Barr's 'distorted' summary of the Mueller report, Michael Cohen's attorney calls for a hearing in open court on DOJ opposing a sentence modification in his client's case." Twitter. 9 March 2020. Twitter.com. 10 March 2020. http://bit.ly/2xifKIW

    —————. "Second-order effect of @JasonLeopold's #FOIA win." Twitter. 9 March 2020. Twitter.com. 10 March 2020. http://bit.ly/2VZEr7x
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Looks like we have gone from pre-trial negotiation to post-trial negotiation. That's a nice new wrinkle in the justice system......

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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And republicans support an ignorant, mendacious rapist who hates minorities and women as a president. Makes perfect sense.
     
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  19. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    That's a symptom of your own TDS. Trump has not mistaken where is at, not said he was running for Senate during his presidential campaign, not told people to vote for the other guy, etc..

    "Broad context" you imagine, without substantiating evidence to warrant the Mueller investigation or a legit impeachment, much less actual criminal charges (that weren't even in the impeachment articles). Just an ongoing leftist wet dream that their TDS hatred will one day be sated. Speaking of, Congressional Republicans still have a better approval rating than Congressional Democrats, even after the supposed farce of the Senate impeachment trial. That means that most people know the House impeachment was the real farce. And yes, it is a left issue. The right only does it to give the left a taste of their own medicine (or honest lack of comprehending simple English).

    "Flawed" is not senile, and I've yet to see anyone present an argument at all claiming Biden is not at least sundowning.
    And the older son says this one has an axe to grind, aside from Reagan being sharp as a tack throughout all of his appearances throughout his presidency. But you believe the one son, because it confirms your own bias.

    No, that's just your TDS acting up. Have a drink or a pill or something.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Trump does not know where he is and what it means to be president of all the people. He fancies himself to be a Nero, a delusional demi-god.
    But he is a TV reality show character. It's the only thing he has ever been successful at.
    Read his history, you ignorant fool.

    The rest of your observation is completely nonsensical. No wonder you cannot see behind te veil of civility this monster has hidden himself recently. You have no idea what it means to be civilized.

    But the empty vessel is becoming more and more transparent and it is time for the people to rid themselves of this blight.
     
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  21. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    He's not the one howling "not my president". The left are the one's who refuse to accept him, not vice versa. And remember, Trump is a response to Obama not working with Republicans and saying "if you don't like it, win elections".
    "Nonsensical" is what leftists say when they cannot refute something and need to quell their own cognitive dissonance.
    No one claimed Trump was civil. People elected a fighter, not a diplomat. Good luck with you wet dreams about getting rid of Trump. Senile Biden sure ain't going to do it, neither did Mueller, impeachment, etc..
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No thanks. I'll leave that to Rush Limbaugh.

    Meanwhile, as Harvey Weinstein has demonstrated, the "all the women are lying! ALL OF THEM!" doesn't really work any more.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I stand in awe of your ignorance.
     

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