The Nature of Power and Influence

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Bowser, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I thought about posting this in Ethics, Morality, & Justice, but they are having an intense discussion concerning "Antivax," so I decided I would just dump the idea in Free Thoughts.

    My question: Is power and influence inherently good or evil? Each of us possess some degree of power and influence, though most cannot assert their will over anything greater than their immediate surroundings. In the larger picture, and in a general sense, doesn't power and influence exhibit both good and evil aspects, depending on which side of its affect you are standing? As an example, an ideology can united a group of people, but at the same time it can create a division between the greater whole. It creates a positive reaction but also a negative reaction.
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Gandhi?
     
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  5. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Are they better off because of his influence?

    Another perspective on the issue...
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Of course there are elites who despise you. The Republican Party is stuffed full of them, and you - as a "conservative" - voted for them every chance you got. How did that happen?
     
  8. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Not true. I vote for the person who I feel will do the most good. I would have voted for Bernie simply because I thought he was a real person. I don't think he had any chance of implementing his initiatives, but at the very least his heart was in the right place.

    Trump--a political grenade that people are willing to throw at Washington because of their frustration with the system. He's popular with the working class because he claims to understand and appreciate them.

    Hillary--an unapologetic political monster who people would elect for no better reason than she APPEARS to be something different. She's popular with those who, despite their claims, are actually comfortable with the status quo.

    Bernie--another political grenade that people were willing to throw at Washington because of their frustration with the system. He's popular with the young because he offers them some help with a economic system that has left them behind. I think socialism is more palatable for the young since the current situation seems to offer them few alternatives.
     
  9. river

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    Corps. , Bankers , are the powers of influence .

    Though there are some corps. That so far aren't in . Thank goodness
     
  10. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. I also think they are a driving force behind political actions, such as trade agreements that have no real benefit for the local population.
     
  11. river

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    It's about a global politcal system . One world government .
     
  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    That seems to be the direction. When I was an idealistic young man, I probably would have promoted the idea myself, The New World Order. Now the idea scares me. I think such talk about Globalism only gives new energy to Nationalists, those who want to preserve national sovereignty in the face of a looming global super state. At this time I think it is more an economic collaboration than an actual world government, but it does seem to benefit those in power more than those on the bottom. I honestly believe the world is too diverse to be united without force of power or political collusion.
     
  13. river

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    The New World Order would control and dictate all aspects of our lives . In every country .
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Well, that's the concern for many. I think the EU started out as an economic compact, but grew more intrusive as its influence evolved, which is why Brexit became the symbol of revolt and a return to local governance by the people of England. My thought, what would people do in a situation that brought about a world authoritarian regime from which they could never possibly escape? Where could you possibly run when the world is under the control of one head?

    I think we are far away from a one-world government. The push seems to be a smashing of trade barriers--cheap labor, fewer restraints, and open markets.
     
  15. river

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    Yes what could people do ? Hard to know . What freedoms would they have left ?

    I hope we will never get to a one-world-government .

    The breaking down of trade barriers between continents was one way of going towards a one world government.
     
  16. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that individual nations should control their own markets and nurse them in a way that benefits their citizenry. There are those who have prospered from open trade, but also there are those who have lost. I'm not an economist, but from my perspective, a guy who has made his living working in manufacturing, there hasn't been a direct benefit for me. If anything, my opportunities have diminished over the past 20 years. That's just my humble opinion.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In point of fact, what happened, you voted for the Republican conservative - a member of the elite that despises you, according to that video - every chance you had. Amirite?
     
  18. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Well, yes, I have, as a matter of fact. I've also voted for a Democrat. Either way, I haven't seen much benefit from my choices. What do you think? Is it time to burn down the house and rebuild?
     
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