The Perfect Clock

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Asexperia, Oct 18, 2017.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Care to explain the mathematics of time please?
    Have NEVER heard of that aspect of time

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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong. It affects everything.

    With regard to a "perfect clock", I once considered donating all of my bedside clocks to charity, but changed my mind: I didn't want to give any alarm for a cause.
     
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  5. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Similarly, I was told that if I couldn't give money to a charity then they could benefit from my time... so I gave them my alarm clock.

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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No. It bears repeating: Relative speed affects all phenomena, including time.


    Mathematics was invented by humans. It is a tool that is used to describe phenomena.

    Saying time is mathematical is as informative as saying a Tyrannosaur is mathematical.
     
  8. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Mathematical means accuracy. If time isn't precise
    it is no longer a measure.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Both of these statements are false.

    1] Mathematics includes methods for precision, accuracy and margins of error. Remember your sig digs from school?

    2] All measurements are, by definition, approximate.
    The measurement of one foot is only accurate to however many decimal places you can practically measure it to.
    Contrast with the definition of one foot - which is exactly 12 inches.


    Please, stop with these wild guesses at how science works.
     
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  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Within limits. (Or did you never learn to do calculations to x number of significant figures?)

    Time is "precise"[1] (although our measurement of it isn't 100% precise).

    Don't be ridiculous. We can, for example, measure the length of a boat - but it's only "precise" to arbitrary values. (Nearest foot, nearest inch, nearest 1/64 of an inch - regardless it's still a measurement).

    The fact that different observers see different times (or rates of...) doesn't mean that precision isn't involved (or achieved).

    1 The phrase "time is/ isn't precise" is actually nonsensical. You're using the word to mean (so far as I can tell) "absolute". Definitely not the same thing. (And we know that it's not absolute).
     
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  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You don't measure time
    Measurements are made of phenomenon and are given arbitrary designated units

    When the second was defined all it helped was a more precise measurement of AGE or the duration of events

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  13. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Time is based on periodic cycles. This is represented by the
    movement of the hands on the clock face. The duration of
    phenomena is transferred to the time scale. That's the reason
    why time is absolute.
     
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  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Um, from whence come "periodic (=involving time) cycles" if time is "based on" them?
    Your "definition" is recursive to the point of uselessness.

    Good explanation. Except for one small inconvenience: time isn't absolute.
     
  15. Equinox Registered Senior Member

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    I'm starting to think Ase may be a troll...
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Ummmm

    Time runs slower at the bottom of a tall building (not by much but with today's instruments measurable) than at the top of the building

    Why does the whole of the building remain in the present?

    What stops the bottom of the building slipping into the past while the top moves into the future?

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  17. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Postulate of the Philochrony:
    In time there is only one frame of reference.

    Duration is measured with respect time in the present.
    All observers are in the present. There is no observer in
    the past or in the future who has a different measure.
     
  18. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    When a craft is travelling a good fraction of the speed of light, travelling from point A to point B, an observer inside the craft might see the passing of one hour for the journey while an observer on a nearby planet might see the passing of two hours for the ship to make that same journey.

    So how long did the journey from A to B take if there is only one frame of reference?


    Welcome to the wonderful world of relativity.

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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The Philochrony (from the Greek philio: friend and khronos: time) is the natural science that studies things from the point of view of their duration. In accordance with this criterion things are classified in: Eternal, durable, perishable, ephemeral, fleeting and nonexistent.

    URL: https://able2know.org/topic/221140-1

    Sorry that world does not exist in the "natural science" of Philochrony

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  20. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Too bad, your postulate is demonstrably wrong, so anything drawn from this postulate is also wrong.

    Demonstrably wrong. When the duration of an event is observed in a gravitational field different than that of the observer, the duration of the event will be different than if it occurred in the observers gravitational field.

    By the way everything we observe is in the past.

    Don't you ever tire of being wrong?
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
    Bullsh*t (under whatever name) isn't a science.
     
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  23. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Holy moly
     

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