The politics of conspiracy

First I'd like to point to a quote by fadingcaptain:

That is the point of all this conversation.


Riomacleod, you brought up good valid points. Yes I understand there are bad bad bad people in the world

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Knowing this, I still believe in a somewhat common decency in humans. I also believe that there are so many different ways for a person in the public to get caught, we aren't talking one person in the press shushing up, we are talking about hundreds. It just doesn't add up. I think of it this way, cops almost always start their job as a cop because they want to help people, so thats what they do. Some cops get corrupt or sick of the job, but the MAJORITY are still out there to just do what they can to make the world better.

What of it? You believe he was murdered by disgruntled Cuban nationalists or what? CIA operatives? I think its just fantasy personally.
I know nothing of fort knox, and Pearl harbor has already been discussed, there is simply no evidence to suggest that they knew it was coming and didn't want to stop it. In fact I think its almost crazy to believe that.

Why do peace people get DEAD? Because they are loud, proud and in your face. MLK is dead because of racists, white southerners who hated black people with every ounce of what little power they had left. I don't think its a shock why he's dead, he was getting threats from day one after all. Do you think this was a government conspiracy or what? If it was it certainly wasn't at the presidential level, because RFK loved the man.
Regan: who in the government wanted him dead, or who would cover up the real story...I'm really kind of lost on these examples.

To me it just sounds like you WANT to believe that there are these crazy coverups and conspiracies out there, after all its interesting.

 

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No, I think that kennedy was the victim of the Military-Industrial complex, and it seems likely that they probably went to the underworld for their actual hitmen. The Korean war was very profitable for these companies, who make it their job to kill people in new and fascinating ways.

But it only takes a couple corrupt cops in a city to propagate organized crime. It only takes one mayor bought, a couple judges. Then it's there, deeply rooted and ingraned in the community, commiting acts of violence and crime. The same can be said of any corrupt politician.

Do you honestly think that Clinton's aide commited suicide in the OVAL OFFICE?

Personally, you can't trust anything that the major media outlets put out. even people who aren't "conspiracy nuts" will tend to agree with that statement.

MLK was just a well-known murder.

And about Regan... that's just something that's come to my mind lately. I havent really thought much deeper than that, but I don't think it would be particularly unheard of.

That's all fine and good, and I do too. BUT there are people who will take advantage of that decency. People hire hit men every day to kill someone. If not that, then people are killed every day somewhere in the US. Cincinnati has 40 murders this year. It's not a lot, but that means that there are 40 people/year (more or less) who kill people and try to get away with it. We know corporations lie to us every day. Monsanto has been to court over and over again for the damage they do to the environment and the people who live in the community. Organized crime has been able to work in he shadows for 100 years, and the only people they've really been able to convict were ones sent down the river by their own families.

So, what in particular makes a government official any less susceptable to this shit? I mean, we don't elect people because they're the best candidate anymore. people vote on party lines. They are led by propaganda, and

Then we have the problem of the blithering idiots. these people give anyone who thinks that the government isn't completely forthright with its citizens a bad name.

Anyway, Richard Belzer has a book which has some pretty convincing/interesting kennedy theories. he's done alot more research and includes a huge bibliography, if you'd like to get more information on that. i'm not really prepared to really deal with the particulars of any crime.

 

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Riomacleod, I respect the fact that you think about these things in a broad logical sense, but I feel you are groping for things that aren't there. The proofs for these conspiracies are lacking...they aren't proof at all.

That is my sentiment, I believe people can do corrupt things, no doubt about that. In fact you have demonstrated the thought behind it fairly well. But the region of corrupt politics and mob crime seems different to me then assassinations of politicians, letting your country be bombed to enter a war....to little green men....to a 'faked' lunar moon landing (to me the proof for that is just as convincing as the JFK assassination - it just amounts to some holes in the data that theorists fill with nonsense!)

I think we can probably respectably agree to disagree on this, the babbling incoherence of nroweatherman tells me:
the thread is dead

I guess one never knows

 

the threadhead is dead

the bullet that missed...you know the one that struck the curb -- that is the most persuasive evidence. because by tracing the trajectory it leads to the location of the shooter(s) -- it is a 4th bullet as well so there you have explained how three bullets - the 'official' theory is "shot down". leads to 2nd floor of daltex building.

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Re: the threadhead is dead

Does speaking in parables make your posts have more impact?

There was a 4th bullet, therefor aliens from the 4th planet of the 4th galaxy were sitting on the 4th stoop in the 4th building shooting at a president who wouldn't let them land and take over our planet. I am certain, can you prove otherwise? MUST BE TRUE!

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the wethead is dead - use the dry look

I try to blow your mind, man, like a two bullets a goin thru ya head a simultaneously, man.

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I think its safe to say everyone here saw the movie JFK. Thanks for enlightening me...

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anytime ...

you get another brainstorm, y'all be sure n share it with us over at art & culcha : "crap will be tolerated". thatz where I be hangin out ta just tawk sh!t.

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JFK actually was not dead. He actually didn't even exist. It was a conspiracy by US government which collaborated with Hollywood movie studio to sell more movies.

 

JFK is alive, and he is asleep on my couch.

 

What makes you so special? I want a JFK for my couch!

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Lotus:

if you want my most convincing evidence which is relatively well documented here goes:

1: The Zapruder (sp?) film was edited. Frames were missing compared to another film that was made from a different angle.
(This is in Belzer's book, I can get the bibliographical reference if you'd like).

2: The original autopsy showed a large hole in the back of the head, and a small hole in the front. It is relatively common knowledge that enterance wounds are bulled-sized, and exit wounds are big.

3: The fact that the autopsy came up with the fact that the rear wound was the entrance wound, I think, shows that there was an "official" story long before the entirety of evidence was collected.


But even if it was a lone russian defector living in Texas armed with only a rifle and a dream that killed Kennedy, I don't think that you can discount the simple fact that every day the government doesn't tell us the entire truth, part of the truth, or any of the truth. I also don't trust television news, or radio news, because the two exist solely on getting people to watch, and selling airtime to buisnesses. Suffice to say that media agencies have their own agendas, and very rarely is the actual dissemination of information a high priority to them.

 

The government branches that would have actually know what really happened are not in the business of disseminating information, as much as you would like to wish otherwise.

News agencies get viewers by showing:
1. gore
2. sex (as with anything)
3. and the most important: Being the first to broadcast big news as it happens.

Yes they have their own agenda, its called BROADCASTING THE BIGGEST STORY THEY CAN FIND. However, unlike your psycho internet consiparacy that has 'credible' journalists like 'from the wilderness', if the mainstream press reported on something as crazy as saying the pentagon was bombed by our government without REAL HARD EVIDENCE, they would be immediately torched to the ground. From the wilderness(or any radical apparently anti govt website) gets MORE viewers by feeding us that ass-stink.

The internet is the land of half-truths, lunatics and porno.