The possibility of making consciousness!

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is a civilized discussion, especially by someone who insist on absolute accuracy in a science forum?
    The gentlemen protests too much , methinks.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No one, in the history of Creation, ever said copper makes hemoglobin red.

    Reporting for trolling.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You said copper is used in making red blood cells. When you you are anemic they don't prescribe copper, they prescribe iron to restore your blood.
    Coward! Can't stand a taste of your own medicine, can you?

    My posts were perfectly justified. You just don't like to be corrected. After all that is reserved for you to do to others.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    FINALLY! Success at last!
    And then you go right back to this nonsense. You'd do much better to use these topics as an incentive to do some research, rather than trying so hard to sound like the smartest guy in the room.

    "Copper deficiency can lead to problems with connective tissue, muscle weakness, anemia, low white blood cell count, neurological problems, and paleness."

    https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/ency...ontenttypeid=167&contentid=total_copper_blood
     
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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is NOT what you said....you are lying.
    After my cautionary post, all you needed to say is

    Mechanism of Copper Uptake from Blood Plasma Ceruloplasmin by Mammalian Cells.
    Danny Ramos, David Mar,# Michael Ishida,# Rebecca Vargas,‡ Michaella Gaite,‡ Aaron Montgomery, and Maria C. Linder*

    Introduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4774968/
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
    And Copper toxicity can have severe health effects, such as: kidney failure. heart failure. loss of red blood cells.

    Copper toxicity
    can lead to various symptoms , including:

    • stomach pain.
    • nausea and vomiting.
    • diarrhea.
    • blue- or green-colored stool.
    • dark, sticky stool containing blood.
    • headache.
    • dizziness.
    • fatigue
    https://www.healthline.com/health/copper-toxicity

    But when you have anemia, Dr. prescribes "iron", not copper.
    I do research and I am not trying to be the smartest guy in the room. I only try to inform what I consider worth knowing by the few hundred guests constantly browsing the forum.

    I explained my "minor correction" which unnecessarily turned into another war, because someone's ego was bruised. That ego wasn't mine.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You are deliberately trolling.

    Your involvement is destructive to intelligent discourse.

    Reported.
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Copper helps in making red blood cells, red blood cells themselves do not contain copper.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Back to the topic. This may be of interest,

    Mark Solms 45/3 WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS?
    This is precisely what Anil Seth proposes with his hypothesis of ;

    Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality | Anil Seth
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    He never said it was.

    He clearly said that it helps make red blood cells.

    He does not say it helps make the red blood cells red.

    But you accuse him of doing so and you then proceeded to throw an entire thread off topic because of it. Not to mention making off-topic statements in response to something just for the sake of it.

    It's trolling, pure and simple. I would suggest you cut it out.
     
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  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Not if the cause is copper deficiency. Then iron will do nothing. Which is why doctors go to medical school to learn medicine, rather than reading about it on the Internet.

    Look, you are just embarrassing yourself now. You were wrong. No big deal; it happens to us all. Accept it and move on. Your ego will recover. This attempt to spin the conversation to make you retroactively right is just silly.
     
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  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I remember learning in 6th Form chemistry at school that copper is also a vital component of the electron transport chain in cellular metabolism, which is why cyanide anions kill you, as they form a complex with the copper atom and prevent it fulfilling its function. It's all to do with cytochrome c oxidase, I understand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytochrome_c_oxidase#Inhibition
     

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