The psychology of atheists and theists

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    It is a reliable source of any information you wish to select, it is possible the connections suggested but I will look into it more.
    It seems to fit.
    I gather you hold no specific objection to the matters in the vid or you dont want to even look.
    Have a great day at work.
    Alex
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Precisely why he went on my Iggy a looong time ago

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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I know but you cant go to the pub these days and have an arguement ..someone gets out their phone looks up the answer and it doesnt even begin.
    Rational drinkers.
    Hope you are enjoying yourself.
    Keep close to high ground.
    Alex
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Everybody knows. It is innate.
    The effort is put into denying and rejecting God.

    Have you stopped beating your wife?

    I gave you a source to go and find.
    It seems you came up blank.

    About as much as you are worried about the bruises all over your beaten wife’s body.

    WLC’s.

    You’re not interested in evidence for God, it would seem.

    Example.

    From my perspective, the psychological motivations behind the explicit atheists, are the real topic of this thread.

    Jan.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is a hasty general conclusion. There is plenty of excellent material in the arts and sciences on Youtube. Any video presentation of live campus lectures by bona fide scientists and or professors is as good as being on campus.
    The trick is to be selective. You don't call a supermarket unhealthy for selling twinkies among wholesome foods.
     
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  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    It is a hypothetical situation, that simply asks if a type of behaviour can ever be regarded as good.
    You mean, when I ask if it would be okay?
    The question is put to whoever reads it.

    We know that.
    But why would it be wrong from an atheist perspective?
    I appreciate that it may not be everyone's cup of tea. But why, is it actually wrong?

    Can we discuss some of those reasons?

    Would you object to a group lobbying to the government the freedom to rape females who can't have children, who have no jobs, or extended families?
    If yes. Why?

    So how do we determine what is ''morally evil''?

    It is expressed by humans, but it isn't developed by humans. There seem to be a moral standard that humans adhere to.
    Which is demonstrated by no one (as yet) thinking it is okay to rape, under any circumstances.

    Perhaps I don't.
    Where they come from, isn't the point (at least as yet),

    On the contrary. The scenario I put forward is all about human psychology.

    Why is it wrong to rape?
    Under what circumstances could it be right?

    Are serial rapists psychologically damaged?
    Or are they within their evolutionary right (for want of a better expression) to act according to their natural given nature?

    If they aren't within such right. Why not?
    Why is it wrong to act naturally?

    I could go on and on with these questions.

    jan.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What is this thing you have about wife beating?
    Aaaaahhhh, it's not about belief in God, it's all about human psychology and how to shape it.
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    James, or any other person familiar with the response, will know what I mean by that.

    jan.
     
  12. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not.
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    You only say it is not thriving because you have a moral code which you live by. One that you didn't develop, but is already present within the human conscience.
    But if morality is relative, as it should be if it is a product of human evolution, then a society that thinks it is okay to rape, could be a possibility. In this society, there would be no alternative to raping.

    If you went in there with the idea that it is wrong to rape, you would probably be crucified, mocked, or ridiculed. Especially as their society would be thriving (from their perspective)

    Feel free to come up with your own hypothetical society, where rape would be considered morally good.

    It wouldn't be about what I think. Just as it wasn't about what Jesus thought.
    It would just be the situation that everybody would be psychologically accustomed to.
    This is about adaptation.

    jan.
     
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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Yes
    Keeping to high ground and
    low ladies

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  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    They happen all the time, which is why I respond with the loaded question fallacy.

    jan.
     
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    Whatever "They" is.

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  19. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Loaded question.

    Sorry, I thought seeing as you brought it up.....

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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So, have you stopped beating your wife? Because the Bible told you so?

    p.s. I have been married 50 years, never laid an angry hand on my wife. Somehow I knew that just wasn't right, if seen from the secular moral perspective of "do unto others as would have them do to you".
     
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  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I don't beat my wife, and the bible doesn't tell me to beat my wife either.

    Not that it is morally wrong from your worldview perspective?
    Perhaps that is why the bible gave instruction on how to administer punishment. To give the atheist who cannot logically, or reasonably make the distinction between what is right, and what is wrong, a limit to how far they should go. Apparently the Israelites forgot who God was, and started living according to their primitive imperatives.

    jan.
     
  22. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, what you're saying essentially is: all theists are psychopaths by choice?
     
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  23. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    No.

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