# The tides are the result of the rotation of the Earth and the whirlpools

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Fermer05, Apr 3, 2018.

1. ### originIn a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect.Valued Senior Member

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So the amplitude of the wave has the units of $m^2/hr^3$ or is it $Degrees^2/hr^3$?

Hmm, either way, I think I detect a problem....

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3. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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Don't be dissing his math! He thought about that math for many moments. And anyway, it's the whirlpools, not the math.

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5. ### originIn a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect.Valued Senior Member

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Well that cracked me up.

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Specifically where ?

8. ### originIn a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect.Valued Senior Member

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Are you asking where is the problem?

9. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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Ever the optimist, I see.......

10. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Good source;
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/wavesinocean.html

Is it correct to say that all wave functions transmit energy?

11. ### originIn a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect.Valued Senior Member

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No.

A wave function is a mathematical description of the state of an isolated quantum system, and mathematical descriptions do not transfer energy.
It would be correct to say all waves transmit or transfer energy.

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12. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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I see the chronic inability of Write4U to use the terms "function" and "wave function" correctly continues unabated. All part of the wider inability to discriminate between physical entities and mathematical models.

Keep up the good work. I have not the patience, myself.

13. ### originIn a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect.Valued Senior Member

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It just seems like it would be so easy for him to learn to use the terms correctly, but i am just fooling myself. His reply to my post will probably be more of the same, but I can hope.

14. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Thanks for the correction. It was sloppy posting. From the link I posted.
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15. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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I don't know what prompted you to make such a comment. Oh, yes, I do....

16. ### NotEinsteinValued Senior Member

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I for one am actually quite fascinated to see somebody knowingly post such gibberish while at the same time thinking they are making sense. The cognitive dissonance and the mental gymnastics required to maintain that state of mind for a prolonged time is truly amazing, and in my opinion, much more impressive than that person simply learning how to use terms correctly.

(Note: I am not mentioning any specific person.)

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18. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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I think it is the same phenomenon one encounters with creationists. They can't afford to let go of an idea that they have built a whole belief system around, even when it is shown to be false.

I have come to the conclusion that Write4U has this religion of the universe consisting of mathematics. The constant conflation of mathematical and physical concepts is important to him for enabling this idea to be sustained. It enables him to flip-flop between the two at will and thereby suggest - if only to himself- that maths is physical.

This must be the key to why he is so resistant to learning the distinction: he does not want to. It could undermine the belief system.

19. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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No, I do not believe maths is (are) physical, I believe all physics are mathematical, difference...

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20. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Allow me to rephrase my original question.
"Is it correct to say that all waves transmit energy"?

21. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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Any travelling wave does so, yes.

A standing wave is not moving, so it cannot transmit energy, though it does contain energy.

22. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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I have no confidence that you will not say or imply the opposite tomorrow, I'm afraid.

23. ### Fermer05Registered Member

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For reference: "Tidal forces in nature - the statement that the center of the Earth is less attracted by the Moon than the surface of the Earth due to its remoteness." The degree of heterogeneity of the gravitational field of the Earth depends on the distance from the Center of the Earth to the Earth's surface. And the larger the radius of the planet, the greater the heterogeneity of the gravitational field.
If tidal forces existed, then the pressure of water and air would certainly react to this, especially during the parade of the planets.
Darwin and Laplace scattered with their research the belief that the Moon influences the barometer with its attraction.
Does the gravity of the moon create two atmospheric humps, at what speed does the air tidal hump move from east to west? Like cyclones and anticyclones manage to move from west to east, at a speed of 50 km / h, rubbing the surface of the continents while the lunar air tidal wave, moving from east to west at a speed of 1600km / h.
Do two air tides form in the mountain cabin every day, does the speed and direction of the wind change, because moving the atmosphere is much easier than water?
Also, there is no convincing evidence and facts, deformation of the Earth's continents under the action of tidal forces.
Although the deformation of the continents can be easily checked by aiming with a telescope at the top of a mountain or at a geostationary satellite.
Quite often, airplanes move along the equator toward the moon and against the moon when the sun is at the top and the tidal force would be noticed by pilots on fuel consumption and flight time ..
It is believed that the maximum ebb and flow are in the new moon due to the fact that the Moon and the Sun act by gravity on the Earth in one direction. But in reality, the Moon revolves around the Earth, then it speeds up the slowing down of the Earth’s orbital speed, so that on a new moon, the Earth’s orbital speed is maximum, and in a full moon, the minimum, as a result, the amplitude of the tidal wave changes, which clearly shows and reacts with the globe .
The gravity of the moon has no effect on the ebb and flow.
The role of the moon is indirect, creating an uneven orbital velocity of the Earth ..
Once a year, the Earth approaches the Sun as close as possible to the Sun (perihelion), and the orbital speed of the Earth increases as much as possible and as a result, the height of tides and ebbs increases, and the gravitational and centrifugal forces also increase in perihelion, but they are mutually balanced.
The orbital velocity of the Earth at perihelion is 30.27 km / s and at aphelion 29.27 km / s.
It is believed that the tidal forces stopped the rotation of the moon, and now it rotates synchronously. But there are more than 300 known satellites and why they all stopped at the same time and where did the force that rotated the satellites go ...
If the "Lunar tidal current" existed, it would really quickly stop the rotation of the Earth, since enormous energy would be expended on the ebb and flow. And the energy of the western transfer of the atmosphere, which rotates the Earth, is not so high as to rotate and knead the Earth, like a concrete mixer ..
Tidal forces today are successfully used as a plug from many secrets of nature.
But in fact, they exist only theoretically, and in practice, not a single gravimetric device recorded them.
The acceleration of gravity at the equator is less than at the poles: at the equator is 978 Gal, and at the poles - 983 Gal.
There is no data on the fluctuation of tidal forces; if there were fluctuations, there would be data.
Why in the phase of the new moon, the pendulum clock does not go slowly ..
A geostationary satellite of the Earth speaking as part of the Earth is in weightlessness, at a distance of 35 thousand km. from the Earth, and for some reason, is not subject to tidal influence of the Moon, despite the fact that the "tidal force" in the Earth-satellite system is 5 times more than on Earth.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
If the oceans and continents that are under the satellite, the moon raises, "at 0.5 m, then the satellite which is in weightlessness, the moon should easily attract to itself, especially during the new moon, and the parade of planets.
And it is not necessary to forget that the oceans and continents are attracted by the Earth, and the satellite is in weightlessness ..
What theory or experiment proves that the gravity of the planets is infinite?
The formula F = Gm1m2 / r2 does not prove that gravity is infinite.
The law of the world says that the force of gravitational attraction between two material points is proportional to both masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation
And not a word about infinite gravity.
If the gravity of the Earth reached the Sun, then the Earth would have burned down long ago.
What will the formula of gravitational force look like if the gravity of the earth reaches no more than 50,000,000 km, and the moon 100,000 km?