The tides are the result of the rotation of the Earth and the whirlpools

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Fermer05, Apr 3, 2018.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No. The difference is almost too small to measure; about one part per million.
    Correct, sort of. The system that is Earth and Moon orbit the Sun at the same speed. Since the center of rotation of that system is not the center of mass of the Earth, then there's a little increase and decrease of orbital speed as measured from the Earth. Again, almost too small to measure.
    There are over 4000 man made satellites orbiting the Earth. None of them "stopped." (Other than the ones that re-entered, of course.)
    The Earth is gradually slowing down due, in part, to the attraction of the Moon on the sea and air. Eventually it will stop and become tidally locked to the Moon. Estimates for this are in the ten billion year range. So no worries in the near term.
    Matt Jaffe and Holger Muller of UC Berkeley have in fact measured the effect of the Moon's tidal acceleration on free particles.
    Here is some data for you:
    When the Moon is overhead you feel 9.79999883 m/s^2 of gravity. When the Moon is beneath you you feel 9.80000111 m/2^2 of gravity. (Assuming you are in a place where the normal acceleration is 9.8 m/2^2.)

    Do you feel better now that you have the data?
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What??

    You assert that 300 satellites all stopped their rotation at the same time?
    Defend this.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A passing asteroid? Just a thought....

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    Seems to me that a stationary (non-rotating) satellite would be an advantage in reception and transmission. No need for constant adjustments. Maybe they build them to not rotate?
     
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  7. Fermer05 Registered Member

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    This theory has very good testability.
    If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
    It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.
    Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
    1 km / h - 1 meter.
    2 km / h - 2 meter.
    3 km / h - 3 meter.
    And so on.
    And no philosophy.
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glcfs.php?lake=o&ext=sfcur&type=N&hr=27

    So you're telling me that in Lake Ontario - where currents can reach 4km/h (2 knots) - we should be seeing tides in excess of 14 feet???

    I'd say yep - it's been tested - and failed.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Incorrect. If you think that, you have a very fundamental understanding of what a tide is.

    If the Earth was tidelocked to the Moon you would have a permanent high tide in two locations. If you were near those locations the tide would be high near you, forever. No currents.
    And no science either, apparently.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    And round and round the merry goes around

    Even though it doesn't work

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  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Is this crap still going on?
     
  12. Fermer05 Registered Member

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    The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpools, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool, and the direction of flow (to the west, east, north, south).
     
  13. Fermer05 Registered Member

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    The only way to refute the whirlpool theory of tides is to name the coast where the current is moving fast, but there are no high tides there.
     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sure. The Florida coast. Very average tides - but a strong continuous current that does not depend on tides.
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    Florida Current
    Beginning in the Caribbean and ending in the northern North Atlantic, the Florida Current leading into the Gulf Stream is a north flowing ocean current that reaches speeds in excess of 2.0m/s, particularly in the Florida Current region closest to the USA’s eastern seaboard.

    http://www.oceanflowenergy.com/ocean-currents.html
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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I did.

    Lake Ontario.

    Your idea predicts fourteen foot tides in Rochester Harbour.
    Rochester Harbour, in fact, has insignificant tides.
     
  16. Fermer05 Registered Member

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    For the precession of the whirlpools need the depth of the ocean.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Depth doesn't matter much in terms of tides. Distance, however, does.
     

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