The Trump Presidency

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  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Sic transit gloria journalari.
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Shouldn't be long now.... and then the world can start calculating/estimating the cost of this whole fiasco... and maybe the USA will place a selection criteria on future POTUS candidates that determines their fitness for office....or spend another few trillion dollars for electing a lemon again..
     
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Hey I did not want this! If your in hell might as well roast marshmallows.
     
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  7. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    That's good if you made it up yourself

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  8. river Valued Senior Member

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    Trump's response to what happened on the weekend , is really the reflection of big business .

    Totally out of touch with the everyday people , which is not surprising , and little empathy towards .

    Besides Trump , what big business and politications really understand , everyday people ? None
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe it is just my love of a good conspiracy... perhaps it's just that I like telling a story or two... but....
    I believe that the USA has been embroiled in a huge internal battle that has been encouraged by external entities in a way that has never been experienced before.

    The fact that stands out for me is that the key generals of some aspects of the USA military have voluntarily announced their revulsion towards Fascist white supremacy and neo nazi ideology when typically they maintain a PC silence and politically neutral position highly suggests that they have been aware of the significant potential of a "bloody revolution" within the USA led by Trump, but puppet-ted by Bannon for some time and that their position had to be made pubic to inspire confidence in Trump and others that action has to be taken to avoid such a catastrophe. So with the published support of the military Trump could act against Bannon with a degree of confidence.​

    With the escalation of violence on Charlottesville and the incredibly and bizarre mixed dialogue coming from Trump, ( even Trump knows the impossibility of his position) the moment of "truth" for the alt right extremist in the USA has come and gone. There is no revolution!

    Bannon has been removed from the administration and there is a every expectation that he will snipe from a distance and further attempt to incite the supremacists to action. He will also no doubt use what he has learned in the White House to his advantage. Trump would also know this and I would expect, with the aid of his recently appointed chief of staff ( name deliberately not posted), Trump may be able to extricate himself from what ever leverage Bannon may have had on him. Suffice to say avoiding prison for Trump will be a miracle but there are many things much worse than that.

    The relationship:

    James Alex Fields Jr (alleged driver) <=> Bannon <=> Trump
    has yet to be proved.


    It took fear to win the Trump presidency and it will take fear to bring it down. Fear that the USA is seriously losing its way...

    The truth of the alt right and white suprem-ism in the USA is about to be exposed for all it's cowardly deluded insanity...

    Maybe from here in Aussie-land I am getting the wrong end of the stick and hope someone will put me straight if I am...

    either way it makes a good story... yes?
     
  10. river Valued Senior Member

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    The USA is not losing its way , it has lost its way . Since Kennedy and really since paper clip .
     
  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps a poor choice of words.. a trumpism maybe...

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  12. river Valued Senior Member

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    Trumpism ? Meaning ?
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    "a poor choice of words"
     
  14. river Valued Senior Member

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    Go on though , you have a thought or two , go on .
     
  15. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...ist-of-false-and-misleading-claims-tops-1000/

    *shakes head*
     
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  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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  18. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    When Presidents pardon members of the public,is that acceptable? Is it not against the spirit of the separation of powers?

    Actually I had imagined it was a power to be exercised sparingly in the dying ("posthumous" ) days of the presidency.Seems I was wrong.
     
  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    He is a slime ball. It appears Kelly is draining the swamp.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    No; it accords with the constitutional description of executive power.

    Tradition is as tradition will, but traditions take two: One to insist on tradition and another to recognize and abide. Pardon power is available every day of a presidency, but American conservatives depend on pretenses of tradition in order to violate those traditions. These days, running through the list of Republican complaints when a Democrat is president and then comparing that to the Republican presidency, we have to recognize that our conservative neighbors were lying the whole time as they pitched their fits about Barack Obama and his administration. To wit, every politician commits ritual stupidity, including ambassadorships and pardons as political favors for partisan friends and fundraisers. A lot of us chuckle about Republican abuse of the word "unprecedented", especially since they elected a president who can't even spell it, but part of the problem is that a bunch of this stuff is somehow believable, and in large part because Barack Obama was the first black president and Hillary Clinton would have been the first female president. Remember, no matter how many photographs we have of white presidents doing this or that—no jacket, feet up, &c.—it was always an unprecedented outrage the black guy committed, and there really must be a reason people who have lived through prior presidencies believe such bullshit.

    The symbolic value of the Arpaio pardon feels unprecedented, but it probably, as a matter of device and function, isn't. It is always hard to say we do not wish to detract from certain obvious values—such as the spectacle of an American president throwing in with white nationalism and sworn enemies of the United States of America—but it really is important, when these things come up, to recall Republican complaints about presidential ethics in recent years: Donald Trump is emblematic of pretty much everything they were complaining about; now that we know they didn't mean it, we should remember that detail for the future. Then again, we didn't really remember it so well, last time, when they freaked out about the equivalent of twenty-two personal emails a day, including household business and subscriptions, despite actually wanting people to not look at the twenty-two million missing emails that we know contain information relevant to potential crimes involving labor practices and an apparent betrayal of the United States of America, as well as some stuff that might have explained about who zoomed who in order to run the U.S. into a disastrous war in Iraq.

    There is a reason the fact of Republicans electing a white nationalist president who uses his authority to pardon a law enforcement officer defying the U.S. Constitution—which both sheriff and president alike have sworn to uphold—in order to exploit authority toward racist self-gratification feels really, really important and very nearly bellwether; it is. But neither can we overlook this striking evidence that when Republicans complain about the Beltway, we ought to be cautious enough to never take them at face value.

    Prominent conservatives, and even many conservatives in our mundane lives, will attempt to express what they think are "politically correct" sentiments, but this really is #WhatTheyVotedFor; and you can always tell because they will attempt to hide within their own windmill assertion of political correctness, which in turn is just a means of changing the subject.

    Trump is everything Republicans pretend to loathe about politicians, and everything they hope for in the ones they elect. Well, nearly. They would like him to be more tactical about it all, but part of the problem has to do with President Trump just not being smart enough.

    The partisan pardons are traditionally saved for the end of a presidency, like Bill Clinton's infamous pardon for disgraced financier Marc Rich. I am, in truth, uncertain when and how the pardons for enemies of the U.S. Constitution fit into the scheme.
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    Well, when said enemy of the Constitution is also a white supremacist birther like the President, it seems that it will fit into the scheme when the President believes it should. To wit, he pardoned his friend and fellow white supremacist birther. No one should be surprised. This is now what is acceptable in Republican right wing politics.
     
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  22. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    I wonder whether even the "Conservative right wing politicians" are as clueless as the Scrotus. (obviously some are)

    Or perhaps is this also some kind of a range testing shot in preparation for possible further pardons designed to close down investigation and court cases that approach too closely to the imperial rear end?

    What , I wonder are the factors going into the apparent rise of (white?) nationalism in the USA ? Fin d'empire?
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    I don't think so. Trump believes he can do whatever he wants. If he is blocked from doing something one way, he will simply seek an alternative route, despite knowing (and being told) how inappropriate it is.

    President Donald Trump asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions this past spring whether it would be possible to drop the federal case against Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, but was rebuffed at the time, according to The Washington Post.

    Sessions told Trump it would be inappropriate for him to interfere in the federal case against Arpaio, one of Trump's most ardent allies, according to three people with knowledge of the conversation who spoke with the Post.

    Trump eventually decided to let the case go to trial with the plan of pardoning Arpaio if he was convicted, according to the report.

    When asked about Trump's conversation with Sessions, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told the Post: "It's only natural the president would have a discussion with administration lawyers about legal matters. This case would be no different."

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    Unlike almost all presidential pardons, this one did not involve any role for the Justice Department, according to a source with knowledge of the process. Typically an office at the Justice Department reviews clemency applications and gives a recommendation to the President.

    "This is the President's pardon," the source said.

    He was told that it would not be appropriate for him to involve himself with the case, so he chose to wait and then pardon. Expect the same thing to happen with Flynn and his other flunkies and family.
     
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