The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Meanwhile, in view at the top, we have Trump's forays into US foreign policy in South America:
    https://apnews.com/a3309c4990ac4581834d4a654f7746ef
    And there are Trump backers everywhere - for one thing, cuadillo government and military coup are familiar in Latin America:
    and:
    So we are reminded that the as yet unanswered question of where Trump is going to start his war has several possible answers.
     
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Something goes here, though I don't know what, about the difference between Trump doing something immensely stupid on a massive scale, thus starting the war, to the one, and Trump doing something unimaginably stupid in a smaller context, thus starting a cascade to massive war.
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    saw this video and just had to post it for the record...
    "It is not just about the insanity in the USA, it is about who and what are we allowing ourselves to become. It is so sad and tragic that tears are dry before they reach the salty ground..."
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Trump makes another try at a deal involving the welfare of children: http://www.boomantribune.com/story/...ign=Feed: boomantribune/Svpw (Booman Tribune)

    But this time it did work out, in that the moms and kids got their resolution (which does have effects), and also Putin came out of it looking strong and Presidential, always a priority with Trump:
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    As of today, the Trump administration is in violation of a court order - July 10 was the deadline, mandated by law and promised by Administration reps, to reunite the children under 5 years old who had been separated from their mothers at the border.

    The Trump representative in court today stated that 4 of the 102 known children meeting these criteria had been reunited. That's 4%.

    Somewhat surprisingly, if all one knew about was US law and standard legal handling of gross violations of court orders throughout the US, this person is not in jail as of now, and neither is anyone else involved in this straightup violation of a court order.

    The matter of deterrence becomes interesting. How might we most effectively deter the Trump administration from violating court orders?
    Taking and caging their children to be fed by strangers in undisclosed locations has been suggested as an effective deterrence, but for comparatively minor crimes - this is a much more serious crime, deserving more severe deterrence.
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    It probably wasn't because of lack of will, but more about how it is now vitually impossible, due to a severe lack of bureaucratic structure when they separated them in the first instance. Acting with out the necessary organizational structure leading to a black hole of necessary info needed to bring about a future reunification of families.
    The sad thing is that some of the children may not even know their own names and can be considered lost. (Babies etc)

    The cost of Trumps incompetence is going to be pretty high IMO

    Can Trump be prosecuted for incompetence? I doubt it...
    (M)
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Oh bullshit. Bring the babies into a room and have their mothers pick them up. If you have any left over, DNA type them.
    People who defy court orders can very definitely be prosecuted.
     
  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Where are they?
    Is there any way to formally identify parentage other than DNA?
    and so on....
    A monumental stuff up from what I am reading. Like removing the wrist tags on a hundred babies in a maternity ward with nothing else to identify them with.
    Hey mom...have guess....
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    But can incompetence be prosecuted?

    " we can not reunite them as you require your honor, ' Tis not possible."
    Incompetence!
    Pathetic!
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    All they had to do as a bare minimum was wrist tag both parent and child with simple number before sending them off to various locations. As far as I know they have no way to connect the children with the parents in systemic way.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Dishonesty to a judge, in court, can be prosecuted.
    Failure to obey a court order can be prosecuted.
    You have the mother identify them. That's how dead children are legally identified, for chrissake.
    Are you actually suggesting that a mother cannot identify her own three and four year old children?
    There's DNA. It exists. So that's a third or fourth way - age, date of separation, sex, mother's ID, child's ID if verbal, whatever paperwork exists - any claim that there is no way is contempt of court. The incompetence would have to be based in something else.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Put the kids in a room, have their mothers pick them up.
    If there are any left over, get fancy with the age, sex, dates, locations, DNA etc.
    If they can't be found easily, launch a manhunt as one would for a kidnapped child taken by a stranger.
    When officials lie in court to cover ass, treat them as people who lie to a judge to cover ass are normally treated.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    "The figures show that 1,995 minors were separated from 1,940 adults between 19 April and 31 May 2018. The separations were not broken down by age, and included separations for illegal entry, immigration violations or possible criminal conduct by the adult."
    src: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...separated-parents-border-trump-administration

    So in most circumstances no record of the child's age was taken.
    All children were separated from adults due to criminal proceedings against those adults, yet no records have been formally kept.
    Of the 2000 odd minors separated from parents, how many were under the age of 1 year?
    How many were under the age of 6 months?

    Can't say.... yes?

    So how many unidentified babies are currently lost in the system? (rhetorical)
    How long does DNA matching take? (rhetorical)

    As to parentage, are you going to take peoples word for it?
    How about minors that acquired pseudo parents/adults on their way over? ( rhetorical)

    The list of possible deplorable scenarios and situations is huge...
    Including human trafficking, illegal adoptions etc...
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The worst thing about all this is that it was the Trump administrations incompetence that is primarily responsible for this debacle, the very same administration that is about to do deals about NATO and who knows what else they are about to get into....
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    What I was posting about was the court ordered reunification of the 102 known children under age 5 separated from their mothers (usually). That reunification was supposed to have taken place July 10th.
    If you have doubts, run the DNA on the reunified pair.
    This is not a mystery. It is an expense, and involves an admission of wrongdoing.
    Doesn't matter. Ask the parent.
    Not yet. Criminal proceedings, with formal charges etc, have not begun in most cases.
    Incompetence is their cover story. This is not incompetence. You are mistaking the purposes and agendas it serves.
     
  19. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    They got those 12 boys out of the cave in Thailand* but these ghouls feel secure in their supposed inability to reunite these families.

    Shame has gone out the window.

    * laying down a life in the process.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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  21. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    That would not have served their purpose, which was to use the threat of separation to dissuade brown people from coming. The more of a bureaucratic nightmare they create from that perspective, the better. Keep in mind, maximizing government dysfunction is on their vision board.
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    This take on Trump's recent tweeting re the FBI investigation has been lost in the noise, which is evidence of the creeping normalization of Republican governmental behavior - it's happening, despite efforts to resist, and the fact that this aspect of Trump's behavior has dropped from attention shows us how far we have fallen: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2018/07/republicans-shit-talking-your-boss-is.html
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Has Trump offered any condolences to the victim' families (and Japan generally) of the recent flooding in Japan?
    200+dead, massive damage bill etc...
    Extraordinary and extreme climate event.

    It is worth noting that many national leaders (including Australian) that would typically offer such have somehow managed to refrain from doing so.... why is that do you think?
    Are extreme climate events also being normalized?
     

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