The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    A link to a compilation of the more notable offenses of the Trump administration, in chronological order. The first 112 are here: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles...m9q2W383yBREGH9rfKRsox3wPqnajXI8KTcZbtsPlXbFA
    with a link to 113 - 197 at the bottom.
    Sample
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i think you need to keep in mind, only 1 generation ago slavery was normal
    women had no vote and were generaly not allowed to work.
    gay men were raped and assaulted by other men for being gay
    there was no such offence of rape against a married women by the husband.

    liberal morality to this culture is like giving a caveman a rocket ship.

    ug-ug zoom-zoom

    people need to keep that front & centre in their mind when discussing the reality of what is going on as normal culture in all aspects of the United states.

    note plot "planet of the apes" movie's & Tv series.
    factions within factions, Xenaphobia as normalised speciation(customs cultures and skin colour/nationalities) etc etc etc...
    quite a relivent context i might wonder

    Remember, when NASA was trying to put a man on the moon.
    black people were not allowed to use white peoples toilets(& white people owned ALL the toilets).
    "Learning to drink from a fire hydrant" Literal in both contexts, scientific and cultural
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In case anyone thought there were principles or governing ideologies or anything at all besides power for what it will provide, in this Republican administration,
    Trump's appointment to the Court making their presence felt:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/neil-gorsuch-trump-census-lawsuit.html
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So Pew Research redid the demographics of the Trump vote - and we have some corrections: http://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/08/2-12.png?w=309

    http://www.people-press.org/2018/08...he-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

    Most striking takehome: Trump lost college educated white women, by a solid margin - not just the graduate degreed, as was the established number before: all of them.

    Caveat: this was self reported stuff, long after the election - some buyer's remorse may be a factor.
     
  8. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    Sessions fired.. Whitaker in.. That was quick. I bet Rosenstein is next to go.
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Midterms:
    World sighs in relief... Trump's rampant/rogue style checked. He is now more accountable for his often incredible executive decisions.
    Well done USA!
    It could have been much much worse...

    The first thing the congress needs to do is legislate, if possible to ban the POTUS from using Twitter or any other social media. This is surprisingly important IMO.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Problem is... with the now larger majority in the Senate, the GOP can continue to push shitty, lifetime-seated judges into the courts...

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  11. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    The larger majority really means nothing. They had no problem installing those shitty judges before...

    There was progress made. Control of the house was very necessary. Here in michigan we passed a proposal to stop/reverse gerrymandering. We also legalized pot, voted yes to easier and same day voter registration, and elected a new democratic governor.. Florida voted to give felons their right to vote back. The first openly gay governor elected in Co. The first female native americans elected to Congress. And, florida, georgia, and texas all came close to flipping..
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously...the Tweeting has to stop. Social media is no way to run a country.
     
  13. Engell79 Registered Senior Member

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    I Just saw the video clip of Trump calling a CNN reporter, "AN ENEAMY OF THE PEOPLE" & "Horrible person."

    I am starting to worry, if USA still is a democracy in actuality wen Trump no longer is there to ruin anything decent and true.

    In the very short time in 'history' terms he has been president, he has managed to change the 'world order' as its been for the past 50 years,
    good or bad i have no idea.
    He has been applying tactics with the free press and political adversaries, that draws direct parallels to dicators of the very worst kind, both present and past.

    looking at the news generated around Trump he is winning the media war, he is getting people to doubt free press as Fake news.
    if i lived in america, id be worried..."Will my granchildren grow up in The Land of the Free, or will it be the Remains-of-Trump-America.
    my humble opinion is he, is a seed of kaos.... intresting to see how much that seed will grow even wen he is gone in max 6 years or so.
     
  14. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    What powers does Congress have to restore order in American democracy?

    Are many of its powers beholden to being rubber stamped by the Senate?

    Can it (should it?) introduce legislation to provide for some form of proportional representation and possibly to regulate the powers of the president?
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Dem's in the house can do precious little without the approval of the Senate and the President - they can launch investigations and such, but I'm not certain they can actually enact anything on their own, much less hold anyone accountable (Senate has to vote to remove the President in impeachment, for example).

    They can dig in their heels and prevent anything else passing, though.
     
  16. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Can they set up a rigorous investigation to take over from the Mueller investigation (not the only investigation in town ,mind you as there is one in NY I believe) if it is impeded?

    Can they prevent Mueller's provisional (or maybe not so provisional ) findings being suppressed?

    Are there any areas where Congress may find common cause with the Senate (who took McCain's seat btw ,I wonder?)
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The House writes the budget.

    The House also has oversight powers, many of which are vested in committee chairmen who can act on their own recognizance (see Lamar Smith's jacking around with the climate researchers) and a target rich environment - the Dems face a choice of strategies and tactics: go after Trump, which would trigger a Constitutional crisis around his tax returns and Russian collusions, or just pressure the swarm of swamp creatures he has put in office, which would do more incremental good while hoping for electoral help in two years.
     
  18. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    What is the arithmetic in the Senate now for shutting down the investigation?

    I see Collins and ,presumably Romney are against.

    Does that make it 50/50 If no one else breaks ranks?

    What is the GOP majority (from Jan onwards isn't it?)

    Who took McCain's seat .?
     
  19. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    1) Yes; there is an article circulating these days from a couple months ago explaining this point; I'll try to find it again, since it rained across my Twitter feed yesterday.

    2) Yes and no, but they're Democrats, so we'll see what they do.

    3) One thing about common cause is that Republicans are devoid of good faith. U.S. Rep. Martha McSally (R-AZ02) is presently winning her race against Democrat Kyrsten Sinema, though it is not yet called.
     
  20. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    Trump isnt going to straight up shut down mueller. The new AG will simply stop funding the investigation and it will shrivel up and die. It could be decided that whitaker needs to recuse himself also based on his previous comments... If they shut it down, the house can hire Mueller for thier investigation and its back on.. Trump can attempt to obstruct, but he cant get away from the investigation.
     
  21. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Would their hypothetical investigation be at any disadvantage compared to the present one?
     
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Update (12.20 PST 9 Nov.): Democrat Kyrsten Sinema now leads 49.1 - 48.6%, a difference of 9,600 votes out of just under 1.9 million counted.

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    Update (18.20 PST 9 Nov.): Sinema's lead has expanded to 22,000 votes, a 49.3 - 48.3% split, with just over two million votes counted; msnbc↱ noted, a couple hours ago, there were 375,000 votes remaining to be counted.
     
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  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Another in the list of Trump's offenses against the law - the Whitaker appointment:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/matthew-whitaker-jeff-sessions-replacement-illegal.html

    Interestingly enough, the sitting Supreme Court Justice who has delivered the most recent and most direct relevant official opinion on the matter is Clarence Thomas - a man of few opinions, in general, but this one is pretty clear: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1251_ed9g.pdf
     

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