The Trump Presidency

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It is remotely possible that one finger was purposely "shortened" also, but that would seem cheap to me, as does the concept of making a finger "longer".
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There are multiple examples of Trump's official photos being photoshopped for vanity.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You do not even remember the existence of evidence posted for you at some trouble. That is expected, because you live in what Americans know as the Republican or "wingnut" bubble: rejecting evidence from the "wrong" sources is an identifying characteristic of its victims.
    More to the point, you never check for yourself. You continue to post in admitted - by you - ignorance. You actually believe you can evaluate media bias without information.
    Just information for you. Think of it as a favor - you are making a fool of yourself, warning you is a courtesy, but no one can make you do your homework.

    Jonah Goldberg is a paid shill for the very people you claim to deplore and oppose. Everything he writes or says is propaganda, all of it is falsehood or bs, none of it is information. He's a standing joke among serious intellectuals of all political leanings.
    Trump is continuing and expanding the longstanding Republican policy of regime change via CIA violence and military coercion and black ops on top of economic sanction, without diplomacy and in violation of international law - Venezuela, most recently. He has been doing that since his first day in office. That is exactly what was predicted of him by informed observers.
    Information. Take it or leave it. If you doubt it, check it.
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    And the shoulders are wider, projecting an image of strength. I'm surprised he doesn't have a fit body double. It seems trivial, but it's an indicator of how loyal this president is to truth. I could say something about 1984, but they tend to project it back onto the opposition, like criticism of Trump or the recent MAGATWATS in DC are examples of thoughtcrime.
     
  8. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    "A shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. A shutdown means the president is weak."
    -- Trump in 2013
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    https://mikethemadbiologist.com/201...published-in-2015-trump-wouldnt-be-president/
    And lest we forget that this is basically a Republican Presidency, and we are in a science oriented forum:
    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6424/218.full
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...ent-and-fossils-could-rewrite-earth-s-history
     
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  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176..._pentagon's_revolving_door_spins_faster/#more
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    An overview, opinion piece, status report.
    https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/you-cant-get-there-from-here-1831622949
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Fascists do not make the trains run on time, again:
    https://apnews.com/48210bbf243e423e...on&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
    The kids in the cages may be the lucky ones - they have a solid chance of being reunited with their mothers and fathers.
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The Trump legacy will live on for many years...
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I like his idea about walls or fences.
    George Carlin had some very creative ideas for the use of fences.

    (warning; crude language) but funny....

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    Could we use this with a Fence around the US?
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the metaphor of flip-flop concept between wall or fence allows those who really have no comprehension or desire to comprehend the real working reality of economics or immigration and sociopolitical culture & anthropology to have a bet each way.

    currency fence or labor market outsource wall ?
    ...
    lol
    now the neo-globalist outsourcers can pretend to support a wall which is a fence keeping the pretend US currency inside and the already outsourced livable wage working poor jobs out of the voter category.

    fed was shut down so no financial data ...
    irony

    George Carlin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin#Death
    medical science which was probably paid for by taxation & the socialist funding of scientific medical research kept him alive since 1978
    amazing to think he lived to 71 with what appears to be a massive heart problem & alcohol addiction.
     
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  16. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    After disposing of some lies about me, I see the following:
    Jonah Goldberg is, nonetheless, somebody who supports his propaganda with arguments, quotes and so on. You don't. And that you use the same defamatory language against him as against me tells me that there is nothing behind your attacks.
    And, as was also predicted, by other sources, and what I have seen already a year ago, he is continuing to destroy the US world rule in ways which cannot be recovered even if the next president will be an Obama-type globalist.

    Found today a nice article which supports my position about Trump:
    https://michael-hudson.com/2019/02/trumps-brilliant-strategy-to-dismember-u-s-dollar-hegemony/ writes
    By the way, he also mentions "isolationism" in relation to Trump:
    and also sees that Trump is reaching the results by overplaying:
    The summary is quite nice:
    What is Trump's game in Venezuela is not yet completely clear to me, but it looks similarly like an overplaying, as in NK and Iran. The development around NK looks fine, the locals (SK, China, Russia) negotiate with NK essentially without the US disturbing them that much. In Iran, Trump has successfully discredited the opposition by openly supporting it. And it looks this works in Venezuela too: There is enough hate against the gringos and a strong enough army prepared for partisan warfare that an open attack by the US army will be too dangerous, at least this is what some observers think about it. The public support of the opposition seems not that strong as presented, and mainly comes from the rich. To start a partisan war from Columbia seems a plausible possibility, but Colombia is happy that its own civil war is more or less finished, and it is quite obvious that supporting such US games would endanger peace in Colombia itself. Not that the US would care, but those in power in Colombia care, and may prefer not to allow this. So, all this already looks like an overplayed game, and if Trump follows what he has done before, the coup ends in failure. (It looks like the only chance of the US is a coup by the military, given that the US would pay them a lot of money for a coup, and there are enough US-influences people in every Latin American army. But if the army remains behind Maduro, then I see a good chance that this ends with nothing.)

    After this, the opposition in Venezuela is as discredited as the Iranian, by the open support by Trump. And, moreover, all those European politicians which have cooperated have discredited themselves in their countries too, by supporting open US regime change operations without any legal base. Add the open robbery of Venezuela's gold by GB, which discredits London as a financial market even without the Brexit.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And since style points like that are your sole available criteria - you have no basis in physical reality (such as a requirement that the "arguments" actually be supported by the quotes, agree with physical fact, or make sense as put) - you have no defense against even the ridiculous. You get played by even the silliest crap ("leftwing" fascism, etc).
    It is exactly what was predicted, two years ago, by the people who identified him as a fascist demagogue: US military and economic power put at the service of capitalist corporate hegemony for private profit; imperial rightwing authoritarianism projected globally; no principles except the benefit of private power and capital.

    Organized crime, piracy, death squads, etc - government by militarized corporate capitalism. Banana republics.

    It's a game completely familiar to US observers in Latin America, thoroughly documented by a variety of analysts for decades now.
    You see this ending, with a Republican administration in the US?
    Silly boy.
    As did W before him, bringing war and misery to large regions of the planet.
    With the predicted consequences of such Republican-type globalism: nuclear buildup, abrogation of all treaties and agreements whenever constraining, increased reliance on police state and military threat.
    Unlike you, he correctly identifies the continuity between Trump and familiar US political forces - the corporate support, the cast of characters, the Republican Party. Nixon - Reagan - Bush - W - Trump. The architect of the Reagan era death squads put in charge. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...cause-he-thought-he-was-eliot-cohen?_amp=true

    Like you, he mistakes Trump for an ideological strategist.

    Fascism is invisible to you guys. Even confronted with the restart of a nuclear arms race between oil powers in the face of climate change, you can't see it coming.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Science under Republican administration:
    https://twitter.com/gennareed/status/1091349145309405186/photo/1
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...te-change-skeptci_us_5c565b84e4b00187b55185fa
    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...of-politicians-and-big-agriculture?CMP=twt_gu
     
  19. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    To support own claims with arguments, quotes and so on are style points. Ok, the difference between defamatory lies about what I say and correct statements supported by evidence like quotes of what I say is a style point. Nice to hear. It clarifies a lot. Defamatory style vs. scientific style, not?
    This is not a prediction at all. Because this is what everybody is used to expect from the US independent of the puppet in the White House.
    Up to now, NK, Iran, and Syria have ended with nothing, with a Republican administration. Ok, the Syrian withdrawal is up to now an increase in the numbers of US occupants in Syria. But this is also well-known US behavior, seen a lot of similar lies in Obama time too.
    Fortunately, the consequences are a bit different. Because, on the one hand, Trump is politically extremely weak (given that the larger part of the deep state openly fights against him), on the other hand, he is overplaying the cards he has and not delivering. If this is simply personal weakness or a clever strategy to harm the globalists does not really matter.
    The difference is minor, and, in fact, what he implicitly suggests is something slightly different, namely that he uses these hawks to do overplaying. An interesting idea, I have to think about this.
    In fact, I do no longer think that there is much ideology behind Trump, there is too much inconsistency in Trump's behavior. On the other hand, overplaying itself seems to be simply his personal internalized strategy. So, there is not even a necessity for ideology behind this. That this overplaying destroys much of the globalists power, simply as a side effect, may have an ideological background, but may be as well that he simply does not care about this. Or something between, with some ideology telling him there is no need to care about such things.
     
  20. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Fuck George Carlin. He's a comedian. Stop taking him seriously on politics.
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all.
    To mistake the inclusion of quotes and so forth as support for idiocies presented as "arguments" is to mistake form for function, is all. He presents you with nonsense and propaganda dressed up like an argument and support and so forth, and you can't tell the difference because you are ignorant of the underlying physical reality.
    Like the folks who fell for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
    It was a prediction specifically of Trump and his Republican administration, and you disagreed with it because you were fooled by the Republican Party campaign media.
    So far they have been taking exactly the same, predicted, path. When do you think they will begin to differ?
    None of those have ended. Neither will Venezuela.
    Trump has neither the capability or the interest for that. His deals with everybody (including the standard Republican hawks he brought into power with him) are personal, for power and money.
    You seem unable to shake loose from the idea that Trump is an ideological strategist.
    Of course not. He's a con man, a fascist demagogue. That's how they roll.
    Living and learning about fascism. You never see it coming.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It was intended as a little comic relief from the misery. I don't know if you have ever watched Carlin, but if you have you know that he was a brilliant political commentator and a keen observer of human behavior in general.
     
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