The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, there is sufficient remedy for illegal acts. There should be an accountability for "conduct unbecoming" as judged by the "civil arm" of the people's representatives.

    Impeachment does not necessarily result in removal. The remedy might be "censure" or "restriction".

    A sitting president cannot be "indicted" and is effectively shielded from criminal prosecution while in office.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
    https://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-2/50-persons-subject-to-impeachment.html
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    We are supposed to let treason and betrayal and profiteering from office go unimpeached and unpunished, because corrupt Republicans will make propaganda claims.

    As if corrupt Republicans needed a reason to make propaganda claims.
    Not at all. It's your usual reposting of the US rightwing authoritarian propaganda feed, and all that stuff is designed to be easy for very ignorant people to accept and believe.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I think we all agree, this situation is almost inconceivable in the year 2019, in a civilized country with an abundance of resources to produce an "informed citizenry".
    I am still dumbfounded when I look at the news. For shame.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    "Inconceivable" is an overstatment. To be more precise:

    It's called "capitalism".

    It's why some people want information "democratized"; in such environments, market results, not testable and reproducible observed results, describe reality.
     
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  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    where are the prophylactics for this age of communication

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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    american capitalism turned the education system into a cost cutting ticket voucher that serviced a profit loss process.
    consequently all spending on childrens education became a loss to profit and was cut as hard as possible
    meanwhile, on the other side of the same ticket
    charter schools & charter university's were set up to extract debt out of individuals who had been targeted by the same education policy to force them to be poor and stupid...
    which, had outsourcing of the labour market not happened, would have had a chance to catch up by getting a return on the investment.
    however, on the heels of traitors committing economic treason and outsourcing all the american jobs that should have been paying off that education debt,
    automation is being forced in as quickly as possible to cut n run while still holding the blood money profits.
    the MOST un patriotic Traitors !
     
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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Come to think of it, the perfect form of capitalism is slavery. And the proof lies in the fact that all great works of all "civilizations" were built on the backs of slaves.

    It's perfectly logical. Wages are the greater part of all capital investments and expenses. And the Capitalist cry is always; "Cut expenses"!

    Why is Trump against minimum wage laws?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/opinion/what-donald-trump-doesnt-get-about-the-minimum-wage.html[/quote]
     
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  11. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

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    "Better pay at the bottom" raises prices for everyone, including those at the bottom, making any regulated wage increase a wash.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Better pay at the bottom increases purchasing power, lowering prices due to competition and even if it is a wash, more people get paid a "living wage".

    Do you resent good, hardworking people making a "living wage"? What do you believe is a "living wage"?

    I bet you are totally opposed to any socialist programs also. You hate SOCIALISM, right?

    You may not realize it, but if we were to take away our socialist programs, we are back to "slavery". Do the maths! Trump does and he manages to not pay his taxes to boot and use your taxes to secure personal gain or political advantage.

    You may not mind that, I do.
     
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  13. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Feel free to do whatever you like. I'm standing outside and laughing.
     
  14. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

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    Better pay raises the cost of doing business, which is always passed on to the consumer through price increases. This means that your "living wage" (whatever that means) is, at best, temporary, requiring unsustainable runaway inflation to maintain. The idea that wage increases can somehow cause lower prices while being a greater burden on the employer is contradictory. A business cannot pay more for labor and reduce prices at the same time. Due to the small percentage of people earning minimum wage, any increased volume of sales cannot even temporarily offset higher labor costs.
    In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers.
    - https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm
    That's 0.01% (2.3% of 58.3%) of all workers, meaning 99.99% of all workers only see price increases, without any pay increase. That's a net loss of purchasing power that cannot possibly be made up for by 0.01% of workers.

    Why are the facts of basic economics a moral issue for you? All labor in a free market is voluntary, so people only get paid minimum wage because they choose to and/or cannot offer skills that are valued higher. Anyone is capable of changing the latter, if not also the former, which would require widespread cooperation. If minimum wage workers dried up, businesses would be forced to either raise wages, seek alternatives, like automation, or go out of business, like many under mandated $15/hr minimum wage. And if a person learns a new, marketable skill, they offer more value.

    Doesn't matter what I think of socialism, when it does not offer a viable long-term solution. Making people, like yourself, feel better by "helping" in ways that ultimately cause more harm than good, like Scandanavian socialist attempts:
    “Whatever you think about Sweden and what we did, you have to realize that we had a great society first,” Johan Norberg, a Swedish historian, filmmaker, and Cato Institute senior fellow, said in a recent lecture titled “No, Bernie! Scandinavia Is Not Socialist!”

    “We were incredibly wealthy, we trusted each other socially, there was a decent life for everybody. That’s what made it possible to experiment with socialism; then it began to undermine many of those preconditions,” - https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/07...ebunks-myth-of-nordic-countries-as-socialist/

    A voluntary free market is never slavery, and that notion is beyond silly. Tax law that provides breaks for loses, to offset tax burden, is a problem with tax law, not the taxpayer. Just like Bernie Sanders saying "I paid the taxes that I owe", while accepting tax breaks he voted against. And Sanders, who has never worked in the private sector, unlike Trump, is one of the 1%. So who has enriched themselves working in government? Biden?
    Biden Inc.
    Over his decades in office, ‘Middle-Class Joe’s’ family fortunes have closely tracked his political career.
     
  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    No, no, we don't need vaginal tightening. And, honestly, while it's true people just don't talk about it, much, I have never known a woman who needed clit stimulation gel. I don't know, is she married?

    And I'm of two minds otherwise: The nipple lick-em seems rather quite (¡ahem!) pointless, but maybe if the Attorney General, Mr. Barr, for instance, spent more time licking his own tits, society might be better off.

    Which reminds, nine point six percent is just stupid. Besides, desensitize the ass he's up in, there goes the point, for the receiving partner, in letting him bang away for as long as he can. I have no idea what to do with that as allegory, so, yeah, nine point six percent.
     
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  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    2nd whistle blower lol.
    Trump surely know that if he is innocent as he claims then assisting Congress would actually work to his benefit regarding the upcoming elections etc.
    The question is :
    Why doesn't he supply the info requested if that would destroy the Dems credibility?
     
  17. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    It is more efficient to wait until they do this themselves. Then, don't forget that to win elections timing is important. If you use something today, forget about its influence on the elections. Such things have to be done much closer to the elections.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, it isn't. As you point out yourself:
    Trump is leaving the timing to the Dems. That is not "more efficient" - it's evidence that he cannot do otherwise.

    And we already had lots of that, from the Mueller report and several other sources: Trump has been trying to stop this impeachment inquiry - and every other inquiry into his actions and circumstances - since the day he took office. He has been only partly successful, and that partial success due mainly to cowardice and corruption among the Dems - the famous inertia that has prevented enforcement of the law against Republican administrations and their corporate owners for decades now.

    He is not competent at governing, even in his own interest. Governance was never on his agenda, and he has never given it much thought or time.
     
  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    better pay by using my bottom (gender neutral economics?)

    you mean increased profanitability on hourly rates ?

    increasing your net return on in-labour costs to deliver a better outcome for laboured steak n sausage holders

    are you drinking the coolaid your selling ?
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    butt its probably ozone friendly

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    you are so over sensitive about these things said the neurologist(dressed in drag) to the cross dressing (un-paid political)proctology intern
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  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Knowing Trump and his history with Putin, Epstein and other , there is every likely hood that something a hell of a lot nastier than Ukraine extortion for favor is going to be revealed over the next month or so...The likely hood of Trump making it to the next election gets less every time he attempts to block or deflect the release of info that he believes would exonerate him of misconduct and criminal actions.
    If he is innocent it is in his interests to nip this impeachement in the bud by assisting Congress and not obstructing it because the longer it drags on the more whistle blowers may come forward about other issues.

    We now have the ill advised withdrawal of USA troops from Syria.
    The timing is incredible, and apparently it was an executive decision following a phone call to Erdogan.
    Here in Australia we see yet another example of USA betrayal of allies... A perception in the public's mind that the USA, again under Trump, is unable to be depended upon.
    Why he would order this at this point in his flame war over impeachment may be the because he fears his capacity to exec. order anything other than hamburgers and fries is about to end and a longer term agenda needs to be completed before that happens. If that is the case then we can expect some more rather extraordinary exec. orders, pardons, etc shortly.
     
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  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The increase in prices is not a wash for the low paid - their wages increase faster than the prices, unless political machination redistributes their extra earnings upward to the rich (as in the US since the 1980s).
    And if it leads to greater productivity of the low paid, a better life, as is common, it would not be a wash for the legitimate capitalist businessman either - the ones not embezzling. They would have more freedom, sacrifice less of their privacy and personal liberty, remain on the gain side of the return to capital curve.
     
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  23. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I've got T.rump sorted. He's angling for a Section 8.
     

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