The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. river

    United States of America , is missing the presence of an Intelligent President .

    He may know business but he is no leader .
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    I wouldn't be surprised if Trump, after profit taking from his latest insane stock market boost, abandons his post and seeks asylum in Russia...

    Can't be done??! Hell yeah!
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  5. Capracus Valued Senior Member

    This is the same sentiment espoused by the Bronzed Emperor’s campaign in regards to a political ad documenting the emperors own words.

    “Given the foregoing, should you fail to immediately cease broadcasting PUSA’s ad ‘Exponential Threat’, Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. will have no choice but to pursue all legal remedies available to it in law and in equity” the letter states. “We will not stand idly by and allow you to broadcast false, deceptive, and misleading information concerning President’s Trump’s healthcare positions without consequence.”

    Here’s the offensive “propaganda” in question.

    See you all in church on Easter Sunday.
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member


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    It differs in its objection to bribery and lies, rather than speech and honest claim. So from a base in reality, it's kind of the opposite "sentiment".
    Bribery used to be illegal, instead of free speech. So did slander, btw - there were some lies one could not pay to have broadcast.
    Why would I, or anyone with sense, agree with that?
    Not until recently.
    It's a consequence of the Citizen's United decision, among other changes - before that decision it was illegal.
    The sources of the money are not listed under the title. Neither is the name of the author, or authors. The video itself pretends that Rossi is the author - the claims made in the video would be obvious lies otherwise, instead of hidden dishonesties.
    I wouldn't.
    I would expect them and their collaborators to be prosecuted when caught.
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  8. Capracus Valued Senior Member

    But it’s similar in the fact that both the pro and anti Trump videos present contextual descriptions of his actions that don’t necessarily validate the stated claims.
    While Russian operatives influencing our elections may not be ideal from our perspective, given the fact that their previous meddling helped put him into office, anything that they could do to get him out would be in fact a good thing. Contrary to the old saw, sometimes two wrongs do make a right.
    Presenting the action of an individual in idealized context to maximize the effect of a particular message is as old as the hills.
    Since when do opinion oriented media outlets make a habit of listing the sources of money behind their respective presentations? The de facto authors of such presentations are the media organizations listed in association with the videos, in this case it was the Institute of Public Affairs. Organizations such as the one in question have documented histories of their policy, membership and donors.

    The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is a conservative public policy think tank based in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. It advocates neoliberal economic policies such as privatisationand deregulation of state-owned enterprises, trade liberalisation and deregulated workplaces, climate change denial, the abolition of the minimum wage, and the repeal of section 18C within the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.

    Luca Rossi is to IPA, as Rachel Maddow is to MSNBC, they’re both employed as scripted mouthpieces.
    And you aren’t responsible for the policy goals of those given nations. All national governments engage in actions that violate the norms of civility in the name of national security. To particular governmental agencies, actions considered to be inappropriate or illegal domestically, may not be so in foreign locations. They’re criminals when caught on foreign soil, and heros back home, so what else is new? As for the domestic collaborators, they sometimes are in a position to blur the links of complicity, and escape just prosecution.
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    IMO, somewhere along the line we may begin to consider the term "sedition" when it comes to the current propaganda war against the peoples's welfare.

    Of course, in this instance the sedition is practiced from the top down againt the people.
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  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Destroying the legitimacy of elected office in American - wrecking American democracy - would be a bad thing, in my opinion, regardless of short term benefit. It would prevent removal of Republican office holders and recovery from Republican administration, for starters - so getting rid of Trump would do no good.
    Maddow does not tell lies or deal in falsehoods on camera, and her entire support (financial, journalistic, etc) is open information.
    She is accountable, in other words, for retailing lies and bullshit (like other people in her position, she would probably be fired for doing what Rossi did).
    As should be obvious: the issue is not what Rossi is to his employers, but what he and especially his employers (since he is a dime a dozen) are to the US public.
    And that is bad - right? You do understand that complicity with foreign agents in the ruination of American politics is in the eyes of sensible Americans a bad thing as well as a criminal act, I hope.
    No, they are not. The authors of such presentations are in physical fact human beings - "de facto" means "in physical fact".
    We have no idea what role the listed organization played in the creation of that video - for all we know they found it in the back seat of a cab. We also don't know who paid for it. Nobody - nobody at all - is accountable for the lies in it.
    "Opinion oriented" ? Wingnuts don't even know what news and journalism is, any more.

    Anyway, there's an easy answer: We have known who was paying Maddow, who was writing for her show, and so forth, from day one. We even know where she gets her reported facts (her show is footnoted, attributed, sourced, etc, as reputable journalism normally is).
    So the answer is: Since forever. You didn't know that?
    Wingnut Syntax Collapse, example 543 - it always happens eventually, that one took what, four posts?
    1) Gibberish.
    What "contextual description" is not a "stated claim"?
    How would sufficient and timely validation of claims about the physical world be "necessarily" validating? That only works in math and other carefully designed abstractions.
    2) Lies and falsehoods and misrepresentations and bullshit are different from physically accurate and evidence supported reporting of factual matters. Representation to the contrary is bs.
    3) Iirc Luca Rossi presented no attempts at "contextual descriptions" of anything except the personal timelines and excluded sources of his discoveries - and those descriptions were false, as were the alleged discoveries.
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    On the rare occasion that her information was incorrect, I have heard Rachel Maddow apologize and correct the records. This is the mark of honest reporting according to the facts and is beneficial for a smart "informed citizenry".

    On Fox news I have seen commentators double down on a falsehood when it is revealed as being incorrect. This is the mark of a seditious propaganda machine, which is designed to maintain a gullible "uninformed citizenry".

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