The Trump Presidency

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Question; If a person is prevented from voting for a representative, are they still obligated to pay taxes?

    No taxation without representation?

    American Revolution

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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, Epstein raped the girl right in front of Clinton? Or, did Epstein just admit to Clinton he raped the girl?

    Tell us how you know these things?
     
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  5. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    No one is stopping anyone from voting in person, or even by existing absentee ballot.

    Again, learn to read. I said "if anyone knew".
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is a terrible evasion and does not acknowledge the concerted effort by the Trump administration to control who gets to vote and who does not, practically speaking. "No one is stopping anyone" is a terribly misleading statement.
     
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  8. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    The Trump administration hasn't done a single thing to stop anyone from voting. But go ahead, keep believing Democrats lies and conspiracy theories. It's a good look on you. Well, it at least explains your know-nothing confidence.
     
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    Strawman...

    He literally said he was doing it to prevent people from voting by mail.

    Trump said on Thursday that congressional negotiations over stimulus aid were held up in part because of Democratic proposals to provide $3.6bn to states to run elections and $25bn in aid to the postal service. The president, who has falsely claimed that widespread mail-in voting will lead to fraud, suggested that without the funding it would be harder to vote by mail.

    “They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”

    Congress has allocated just $400m to help states run elections, a small fraction of the $4bn the Brennan Center for Justice estimates is needed this year. Many election officials are scrambling to figure out how they will run an election where there is expected to be an unprecedented level of mail-in and in-person voting. The lack of funding may already be having an effect; in Kentucky, the state’s top election official said this week he did not support expanding mail-in voting for the fall because the state did not have the capacity to do so.

    And being such a sycophant is not a great look on you.

    At the end of the day, his actions will hurt the GOP the most..

    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/11/8319...ail-gop-in-florida-and-elsewhere-relies-on-it
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/19/republicans-mail-in-voting-trump-398774
    https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/08/9967359/are-mailboxes-being-removed-streets-usps-reason
     
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  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they have. They've turned loose the Republican Party vote suppression machinery in dozens of States.
    Republicans such as Kris Kobach have been making fulltime jobs and careers out of stopping people from voting, preventing their votes from being counted, etc.
    Probably wishful thinking, unfortunately. The GOP is making hay in the red States by crippling Dem voting capability, and in the blue States by fostering the myth of the "moderate Republican" who strives for a return to bipartisanship and civil discourse.

    To the extent the GOP can once again sell the claim of the moderate Republican, the sensible "centrist", the No Labels/Tea Party/Never Trump/Not Our Fault faction of the self-proclaimed reasonable conservative (see the career of Charlie Sykes, the Limbaugh of Wisconsin) it will benefit from Trump's destruction of democratic tradition and infrastructure. You will be able to tell that it is working, this strategy, if you see long lines at the polls in Dem districts and read about "problems" with voter registration or counting the ballots (mailed or in person).
     
  14. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Not of Write4U or iceaura.

    First, lol, The Guardian.
    Second:
    "They [the Democrats] want $3 1/2 billion for something that'll turn out to be fraudulent — that's election money basically," Trump said.

    Continued the president: "They want $25 billion for the post office. Now, they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. Now, in the meantime, they aren't getting there. But if they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail-in voting because they're not equipped to have it."
    https://www.npr.org/2020/08/13/9021...r-postal-service-to-block-more-voting-by-mail
    It's only Democrats who are claiming people must vote by mail. Both Birx and Fauci say in-person voting, with the same precautions as going to the grocery store, is safe. IOW, Democrats have created this supposed crisis they are demanding billions to cover. Trump has pushed to restructure and privatize the failing USPS since 2018, long before any thought of universal mail-in voting.

    No one is against absentee ballots, which you have to request and require identification. There's a difference between mail-in and absentee ballots, mostly in the lack of security/verification in the former. Nor is mailing absentee ballot applications (with their requirements) the same as mailing out the ballots themselves.

    And the USPS regularly removes boxes with low mail volume and adds others where needed. Routes, vehicles, fuel, and manpower to service underutilized boxes is a huge expense to an already failing USPS. You should quit buying into conspiracy theories.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently you have no inkling as to the function of the US Postal Service.

    It guarantees that all people, regardless where they live will have access to mail service. It is a social service affording all citizens (residents) the right to conduct business with the US via the mail service. This is a public service provided by a non-profit US Postal Service.

    OTOH, For-profit mail services will never select mail service to areas which lose profits. The USPS guarantees delivery of (official) mail to all citizens regardless where they live.

    If the US Postal Service fails, rural America will suffer the most
    The USPS is “a lifeline” for many remote and Native communities.
    “USPS isn’t just a public service,” Baker said. “It’s a lifeline.”
    https://www.vox.com/identities/2020...hutting-down-rural-america-native-communities
     
  16. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    And? Who's talking about shutting down the USPS altogether? Trump's not. Any possible privatization can always include stipulations about continuing to serve rural communities.
    But what does any of that have to do with removing low volume boxes from urban areas? Nothing. So it's all a non sequitur.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No it cannot. You cannot force a non-government business to operate at a loss. How are you going to compensate these private businesses for their loss? Somebody has to pay for this universal government service. Are you suggesting that a rural retiree pay 15.00 to a private operator for mailing a letter or submit their taxes?
    You still do not understand! Volume has nothing to do with the USPS service. It is not a for-profit social service. It's intent is to provide equal opportunity for all individuals to use government services, without prejudice to location.
    The US Postal Service is a social service and designed to serve everybody regardless where they live.

    Shutting down any postal office that affects mail delivery to individuals is prejudicial and illegal, by law.

    Again:
    https://www.vox.com/identities/2020...hutting-down-rural-america-native-communities
     
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  18. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    A private business would streamline and innovate to be competitive, and that would include charging other private shippers, like FedEx, more for rural deliveries those shippers do not service. So those other private shippers would pay more for the service they have been taking advantage of at the expense of all taxpayers, or just start servicing those areas themselves. It's not rocket science. Just basic market economics.

    Removing urban collection boxes has nothing to do with servicing rural routes. But it does have to do with removing unnecessary waste and pollution.
    Again, no one is taking about shutting down any service to individual mailboxes. You do understand the difference between a mailbox and a collection box, right?

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, my........

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    A mailbox is a physical or postal address for receipt of mail.
    A collection box is a public address for sending of mail.

    Both service addresses must be easily accessible to people who conduct their affairs via the US Postal Service.
    A collection box 30 miles from where you live is not a "service", it is a hardship.
     
  20. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    You do know that a mailbox also serves as a collection box, right? 9_9

    As usual, you're opining on things you don't comprehend.
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The intellectual and media wing of the fascist movement currently embodied in the Republican Party.
    It's been on their agenda for decades now. It's not a secret.
    The current Post Office, competently run, would be cheaper than a private one that had to cover such large operating deficits.
    It is one step in the dismantling of the USPS, so that the Postmaster General can make larger profits on his investments in private mail services. (That used to be called a "conflict of interest").
    Since it also helps in suppressing voter turnout from poorer communities and Democratic Party constituencies, it's a two-fer.
    Democrats are not saying that.
    Strawman of me.
    You slide around between "Trump administration" and "no one" - I don't.
    Everybody will have to pay more for worse mail service, while the Postmaster General profits more from his private investments. It's basic monopoly control of a captive market - socialize the costs, privatize the enlarged profits.
     
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  22. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Not even kind of:
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, IF you have daily mail service at all.
    Have you ever lived in a rural area? I have.
    As usual you present a tortured version of truth in reality.
     
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