The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

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  1. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, that’s true. Forgot about that.
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Stop counting his votes! Count mine again! I like those numbers better.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    "Trump" and "gracefully" in the same sentence?
     
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    From the guy who brought you "The reason there are so many cases is because we are doing too many tests" comes the new hit single "I'm only losing because they're counting all the votes against me"
     
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  8. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    It's going to be close... that's all I know...
    Hopefully Biden take Arizona and then Nevada, (or is that Manhattan and then Berlin?) then it's a done deal - although I think we all expect Trump to drag it through the courts like a sulking little boy who loses a game but then runs to his father (the Supreme Court) to demand he still be allowed to play President.

    Also, should Trump eventually concede, I fully expect it to be along the lines of:
    "So despite being robbed by the fraudulent Democrats, I am forced to concede defeat. But I do that humbly, because no one does humble like me. I am in fact the most humble person I know."
    Hopefully we shall see.

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  9. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    lol! Omg, this sounds like something that could actually play out.

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  10. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    In other word, you concede that the picture itself is correct? LOL.

    In other words, the Dems have created the worst imaginable thing for the US on the information war front and you don't even recognize it. ROTFL.

    Ok, I will try to explain it to you, slowly. The US propaganda in other countries heavily uses accusations of election fraud to start color revolutions. And those afraid of US color revolutions have had a hard time facing this danger. Last example: Belarus. The OSCE observers were invited to observe the elections, but for whatever pretense, COVID or so, they had no interest. So, it was clear from the start that a color revolution was planned based on accusations of election fraud. And, in fact, the color revolution was started, immediately after the elections, not even waiting for the declaration of the results. The Russian reaction to this danger (after a color revolution attempt on this base) was a voting system with heavily improved security against fraud, where you can look online at whatever voting point to see what happens where, that all this starts fair, with empty baskets, and nobody throws in prepared votes. The point being: People all over the world are quite aware of the danger of election fraud, and, moreover, have learned (were taught by US propaganda) that quite weak "evidence" is enough to "prove" election fraud.

    Once possible election fraud was a question raised before the elections, the possibilities of fraud in US elections have been discussed, worldwide. And the straightforward way to fake the election was considered and discussed, worldwide. Only a part of the world is so much under US media control that they could avoid this being discussed in the mainstream media. And that straightforward and obvious way was to use the weak points of the US voter registration system to throw in a lot of fake votes per mail. What would be the straightforward, dumb technique to realize this? First, one waits how much fake mail votes one needs, waiting for the end of the vote counting for the real voters, then one counts how much is necessary for winning the elections, and then throw them in as mail votes. How the reality looks like? This:

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    And this is sufficient for the "highly likely" which is sufficient on the information war front.

    That's the dream result for all anti-American forces of the world. See, evidence for some fakes is not all what matters. If Putin wins with some 75% or so, who cares if some 2% of them or so are faked, as Western propagandists continue to claim? So, some evidence for some fakes, some dead grandmother voting for Biden, would be not dangerous for the US too. With a landslide victory either for Biden or Trump such minor evidence for some election fraud somewhere in the backyards would not matter at all, with or without plausible evidence for it. But now we have some plausible enough ("highly likely" level) evidence for voting fraud big enough to decide about the victory.

    So, we have seen a masterpiece of self-destruction of the US propaganda. The US will be ruled now by a president known to be corrupt even before he was elected and who gained the victory with election fraud. All the big US internet companies have demolished their reputation by openly supporting, in particular via censorship, this corrupt faker. No Russian propagandist could have imagined a better outcome of US elections.

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  11. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    But...you’d have to believe that voter fraud (in this election) was/is a coordinated “strategy” by the Democratic Party. Do you believe that? I think it could be happening at the county level, and in such a tight race like this, it matters. But, a widespread effort? Sounds a bit conspiracy-ish.

     
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    Thanks for this. I had no idea. But what a terrible idea to lump all this together.

    I realise the distances are big in the US but even so, would it not be more sensible to split these things up? I'd have severe trouble as a voter just keeping all these decisions in my head at once.
     
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  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    It could always be changed, though. In fact, I understand a number of states have already signed up to a bill that would commit them to sending electors based on the proportions in the national vote, or something - I forget exactly how it works.
     
  15. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Seattle, everyone knows, though, that it's far easier to believe highly coordinated vote-rigging than a typo.

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  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I would highly recommend that the USA checks for double voting by Trump supporters.

    Do they cross check to make sure people don't vote twice... early mail and in person....I would bet that they do not...



    Voter fraud does not necessarily only favor the Democrats.
    Given the nature of Trump, I would expect more voter fraud by Republicans than Democrats.
     
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    Just to clarify: This is not about what I believe. I simply evaluate the situation on the front of the information war.

    In general, mail votes are much more suspect for election fraud simply because they are counted in a more centralized way. Not sure how this is handled in the US, probably even different in different states, but the typical picture is that there are a lot of polling stations where one can vote personally, and usually the votes made in this station are openly counted at this station. Instead, the mails go to some central point. So, you need much less conspiracy if you restrict yourself to faking mail votes. So, claims that mail votes have been faked are always considered to be much more plausible.

    That the globalists are able to conspire on a large scale is quite obvious, given their control of the media. They consistently lie in well-coordinated ways about almost everything in the world, Often enough the lies can be detected easily by everybody with simple cui bono questions, and the more sophisticated evidence for the lies can be found in the web. So, you need real control over the media to avoid the distribution of all that counter-information. The globalists have this power. (It has this power everywhere where the Western propaganda names the press "free". In states where they don't have this power, the Western propaganda whines about suppression of the "freedom of press". Orwellian times ....) In comparison, I would say, one needs much more power to control media which are officially "free" than to control a few bureaucrats in control of counting mail votes. So those who have recognized some of those well-coordinated media lies and therefore no longer trust the mass media will accept a Dem conspiracy to fake mail votes without much questions.

    Except that nobody will care about such cheap excuses

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    Because that such leaks will be "corrected" is what one has to expect in such cases. For the Dem sheeple who like to hear such things this excuse will be sufficient, but for the Trump supporters it means nothing.

    On a Russian site, I have seen before the elections a poll with the question "who will be officially presented as the winner of the US elections". Not "who will win them". Just to illustrate that there have been from the start a lot of people around the world thinking these elections will be faked. Why this idea is so popular? Four years of Russiagate lies in the media, with nothing behind them, now the suppression of the corruption evidence against Biden, and the open censorship of the US asocial media - the predictable result is that one expects everything from such liars.

    This is something the US politicians will have to learn the hard way in a multipolar world. All other politicians of the world have to think not only "what is good for my country?", but also "how will the Western media lie about this?". The US politicians couldn't care less about this. They could start to bomb whatever country they liked to bomb without being afraid of the media. But times are changing. The carelessness about such things starts to backfire.
     
  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Do you seriously believe that they the globalists you refer to are not manipulating all the dark and back channels as well?
    If I were a globalist that would actually be more important than mainstream manipulation. Birthing conspiracy theories a dime a dozen, undermining trust and extorting corruption.
    Why do you think you are not being manipulated like every one else?
     
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  21. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Why are observers being banned or kept far away from those counting the mail in ballots in some parts of PA and Detroit?
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Trump is just throwing up anything he can and hoping something sticks. Social distancing rules were in effect but now they will be closer. Who cares?

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  23. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, I’m watching CNN right now and I think he’s grasping at straws? According to CNN, it’s not true that they weren’t permitted in (Republicans)
     
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