The Trump Presidency

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Can you tell me the harm in having certain social programs which benefit all citizens, like a military for common defense , a not-for-profit single payer Health Care for common health maintenance, Social Security for common financial security in old age, National commercial Infrastructure for common market access .

    Do you really think a feudal system is better than a well run socio-economic system?
     
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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    do you ever get tired of making up such obvious bs? the only party that wants one party rule for ever is the one you support the republican party
     
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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    its going to happen. the race is already called for warnock and ossof leads with most of the outstanding vote in fulton and dekalb counties which are overwhelmingly democratic. the dems took the senate
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes and they are now gonna kill every Republican. Bad, bad Democrats!
     
  8. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    you do realize one of trumps nut job supporters fired rounds into the house chambers after they stormed the capital.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    (I hope you picked up on the irony in my statement in post# 5144)

    Yep, I predicted this would happen months ago. We're in a Civil War and this is not over with! People are gonna die!

    If anybody thought this was unimaginable, you were hopelessly ignorant of the damage that was done to our democracy by 4 years of propaganda and 35000 LIES by a wannabe dictator. He warned us and nobody took him seriously. Well folks the shit has hit the fan and it's getting really dirty.

    If I were a religious person I'd posit that where the demon Trump walks, flowers wilt and things begin to die.
     
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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The shining light on the hill has become the shithole in the outhouse.

    Thank you President Trump and Trump supporters for making America great again!
     
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  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i have trouble picking up on sarcasm and the like with all the clues with out them i got no chance
     
  12. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Learn to read. I don't support the Reps. I support what harms the US and the globalists most. This was Trump, now it is the Dems in full power, simply because they will misuse that power to harm the Reps.
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i know how to read.
    right which why you supported the fascist donald trump.
    yes because you are antifreedom and profascist we know. can you go fuck off back to russia and leave the adults to live in freedom
     
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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Care to revise that statement?
     
  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The Republican party of 2016/21 will go down in history as the anti-democracy /constitution party that is all too prepared to be persuaded to support a deranged President's call for civil war.
     
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  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    you seriously believe that Russia and China are not globalists?

    That all this shite is really about globalists fighting to be King of the castle?
     
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  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Trump needs to be impeached immediately even if only to send the right message....
     
  18. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Fascinating how Trump supporters always manage to get past the most heavily armed police forces in the history of the world. And it's ALWAYS the Trump supporters--BLM (for instance) wouldn't make it past the first step. Funny that.

    Kinda makes one wonder.

    Edit:

    Whoops. Just to be safe, apparently I need to state that I explicitly advocate killing cops--James R will confirm this. Apparently, when I say that I "explicitly do NOT advocate" something, it "sounds like" I'm saying that I do, so, you know... Again, James can confirm this.
     
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  19. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    What was named "socialism" in Eastern Europe and USSR was a feudal system. I know from my own experience that it is bad, and that a capitalist system, even if only in a corporatist form (free market societies don't exist to compare with) are much better. Whatever you think about various social programs does not matter, if that New Green Deal starts, the US will be finished economically.
    Why? The US is the most criminal, aggressive, murderous, evil state of the world. Ok, NK may be even worse for the local population, but it is not a danger for the world. The US is a great danger for the whole world. So, whatever weakens the US is good for mankind.
    Yes, Russia and China are not globalists, their aim is not world rule. They don't have such a tradition. And this is natural for continental empires who have a lot of neighbors. If they would be aggressive, their neighbors would unite against them and they would have wars everywhere. For a large continental empire, with a lot of neighbors, it is much more reasonable to have peace and to react against attacks. In this case, those attacking neighbors will be alone, and the empire will be strong enough to win. It is winning in such wars what makes those empires greater. The situation for the US was different. They got a large territory and once the borders were secured (by genociding away the natives) they were able to start a much more aggressive imperial policy.

    You can argue that the actual military situation is different. But so what, both rely on their traditions. They both don't have an ideology, but strong national imperial traditions, and this is the ideological base. And among the Chines traditions was the refusal to start trade with Europe thinking that they have everything they need, and have no interest in those Western luxuries or so. This was an error, it ended with collapse and Western world rule, and the Chinese have understood this. So, they will care about the world outside and they will trade. But they remain Chinese, with no interest to make the whole world Chinese.
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    are you sure your second name is not Trump?
    Of course they are... their globalist agenda is obvious...

    Do you honestly think Russia or China are not interested in international global competition and what ever they can do to improve their power position?

    Are you that naive, gullible and idealistic?
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is a completely non-responsive answer.

    You complain about international Imperialism as being only beneficial to the dominant power, but you advocate for national Capitalism, a form of financial Imperialism beneficial only to the corporations in power.

    I ask again if a country with a well run democratic socio-economic system is beneficial to it's citizenry, as well as to it's trading neighbors?
    Make up your mind.
     
  22. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they are interested in trade and try to improve their power position. This is normal behavior. Nobody would object if the US would only doing this. For example, there is the actual oil war, with Russia, the US and Saudi Arabia as the most serious fighters. This war has been started by Russia vs. Saudi Arabia not agreeing about the quota in OPEC+. Observers I value highly argue that Russia has started this war, with US shell oil as well as Saudi Arabia being the actual losers. And it is not only the US which tries everything to prevent North Stream II, Russia together with Iran also try to prevent pipelines through the Caspian Sea from Turkmenia to Azerbaidshan.

    This is something very different from trying to rule over the whole world, as the "indispensable nation" tries.

    First, democracy is not a socio-economic system. Then, if a system is democratic or not is quite irrelevant for being beneficial either to its citizenry or its neighbors. What makes the US the enemy of civilized mankind is not its socio-economic system but their politics of aggressive regime change operations against every non-submissive state. So, a state with the US socio-economic system can be, in principle (not in its actual realization), beneficial to it's citizenry, as well as to it's trading neighbors. The actual system is not. That it is not beneficial to its citizenry can be seen if you compare the GDP development with the average income of the population which in PPP stagnates.

    I don't advocate any form of imperialism. I'm libertarian, I advocate free markets. That I think Russia and China have imperial traditions less harmful for the world than the US does not mean that I advocate their systems. BTW, it is the US where corporations are in power. In Russia the corporations have been removed from power. In China they were never in power, they always had to be submissive to the CCP.
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    AT least be aware that you are changing the context of your point.
    Globalist is not the same as imperialist.
    You really need to define your terms or choose deliberately not to to allow wriggle room.
    World rule and globalism are two very different things...
    How a nation can rule by evangelizing democracy and policing human rights is a bit of a puzzle... one you may like to explain...
     
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