The Trump Presidency

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  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Except that isn't true. First, Trump hasn't presented a budget. He has presented a budget outline. There is a difference. Just because you like and support the Trumper, it doesn't magically transform his budget outline into a budget. And contrary to your assertion, Obama submitted several budgets during his term in office. Just because the Republican controlled congress failed to pass those budgets, it doesn't follow that Obama didn't submit budgets.

    No, Republicans would let the budget lapse. I suggest that instead of using the Constitution as a political prop you should actually spend some time reading the document. It's not the president's job to pass budgets. In the US Constitution, that duty is explicitly delegated to the Congress which was mostly controlled by Republicans during Obama's presidency and which mostly used the budget process as a political prop. Republicans not only threatened to shut down the government, they did shut down the government when they refused to pass a budget. Republicans did on multiple occasions threaten to cause a debt default by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. Republicans on multiple occasions threatened the full faith and credit of the United States government in an attempt to advance their political goals. That's no less than despicable if not treasonous.

    Do you have any evidence Obama was golfing and throwing concerts at the White House during budget deals? And why would that be a problem? You do realize that every president for several decades now has played golf while in office and has had "concerts" in the White House? Your man The Donald flies down to Florida every weekend for a round of golf and to be entertained. So for some reason it was wrong for Obama to play golf and be entertained, but it's okay for Trump to play golf and be entertained? Don't you feel a little hypocritical?

    So you think meals for the elderly is a Democratic slush fund? Trump's budget would cut more than just funding for the arts. And where is your evidence that staffing at PBS is higher than in private industry counterparts, and why is that important? Additionally, you are wrong to compare PBS (i.e. Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to commercial broadcasters. PBS is collection of many independent TV and radio stations from across the country. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting receives grants from the federal government and uses that money to fund independent broadcasting stations across the country.

    The truth isn't a liberal slush fund comrade.

    Truth and reason aren't liberal conspiracies comrade.

    Women's health isn't a liberal conspiracy or slush fund either. Tax payer funding of abortion has long been illegal in the United States. Planned Parenthood doesn't use government money to provide abortions. So if that's all the Trumper wanted from Planned Parenthood, there is no reason to not fund Planned Parenthood. The fact is by denying funding for Planned Parenthood, Trump will deny healthcare for women.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

    And where is your evidence that the EPA is a Democratic slush fund? And what does the EPA have to do with unions? I think you are confused. I think you are confusing the Department of Labor with the EPA. The Department of Labor deals with unions, the EPA does not. The fact is there is no indication the EPA has anything to do with unions, much less Democratic slush funds.

    So you don't think the Koch brothers, two of the richest men in the world, aren't Republicans? I'm sure that would be news to them and they many right wing institutions they have created and funded to advance Republican causes. The fact is the Koch's and their wealthy cohorts are without precedent on the left.

    And you don't think Republicans "buy" votes? The Kochs alone spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year to "buy" votes. That's why the Kochs and their cohorts do it. They spend all that money every year to buy influence, and they have been quite successful at it. The Kochs and their ilk get a lot of benefit from their "vote buying". That's why they do it. That's why the Kochs pay no state income taxes in the state where they are headquartered. And Republicans are responsible for the Citizens United decision which allowed the unlimited secret funding of campaigns, and Citizens United mostly benefits Republicans.

    Drinking clean water, and breathing clear air, and living in contaminant free homes aren't liberal conspiracies conspiracies comrade.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Trump is wining and dining Republicans at Mir-a-Lago in order to win their votes for his Trumpcare. So how much booze and food do you think it will take to get their votes?
     
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  8. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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    Almost impossible to fathom the parallels between what Trump is doing and other defeated regimes. Where have we seen this before ... Oh, yeah! Stalinist Russia ... In early 30's Stalin implemented an institute of "commissars" in the Red Army - party apparatchiks who were monitoring the soldiers and officers and snitched on them to NKVD. You know well what happened after that. Also, Nazis were not far behind ... They had very similar setup in the German Army.

    Trump installs "loyalty monitors" at government agencies

    This shadow government of political appointees with the title of senior White House adviser is embedded at every Cabinet agency, with offices in or just outside the secretary’s suite. The White House has installed at least 16 of the advisers at departments including Energy and Health and Human Services and at some smaller agencies such as NASA, according to records first obtained by ProPublica through a Freedom of Information Act request.

    These aides report not to the secretary, but to the Office of Cabinet Affairs, which is overseen by Rick Dearborn, a White House deputy chief of staff, according to administration officials. A top Dearborn aide, John Mashburn, leads a weekly conference call with the advisers, who are in constant contact with the White House.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    W&Cheney did something similar.

    Trump is continuing long time standard Republican Party policy and agenda. The problem is not Trump, the problem is the Republican Party.
     
  10. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Trump is applying a business model to make government more efficient and more beholden and service orientated to the tax payer. Trump builds and owns hotels, casinos, golf courses all of which place the paying guest, first. You the tax payer are a VIP. Trump and his cabinet are like concierge at a hotel, who know how to make thing happens for the guest so their have a positive experience.

    The old way was beholden to growing the government and loyalty to big donors. The taxpayer was someone you shake down and rip off. The monitors are there to make sure everyone is paddling in the same direction. One can see how the Democrat party leadership is resisting all forms of change, since they benefit more by the old system. This extrapolates to the rank and file government workers who also think they benefit by what was. They will drag their feet and even sabotage, since they are being loyal to people who wants them to do engage in sabotage and delay tactics.

    All presidents have done this. For example, President Clinton replaced all the federal judges. Trump only replaced about half. He knows some will not be loyal to him, but were kept on because they could do a good job. The judge from Hawaii was a good example of paddling the wrong way. But Trump is trying to unite the country, by allowing some of the disloyal to remain, but he has installed watch dogs to make sure they don't go too far the other way; illegal actions.
     
  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    here it is folks wellwisher thinks upholding the constitution is doing the wrong thing
     
  12. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The Constitution says we are a country of the people, by the people and for the people. Trump is placing people first, not the elitist and special interests. Those who place special interests first violate the spirit of the constitution, since this is not for the people but for campaign donations.

    The Constitution gives the president the right to decide, who enters the country. He does no need approval from Congress. Those who oppose Trump regulating the flow of immigration, that have no Constitutional basis, but are running a scam. Constitutional rights only apply to US citizens, since the US cannot impose our form of government on the nationals of other sovereign nations. The scam artists need to be monitored, so they won't violate the rights of other nations, with freebies to their citizens which can undermine these other nations.

    If you owned a company and I bribed some of your people with freebies, I can undermine their loyalty to you. The Constitution has not provision for the US undermining other sovereign nations at the grass roots level, to create discontent in the home country. Also, you can't servethe people, by placing them at risk, to satisfy the needs of a special interest agenda. It alway needs to be the people first.
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    And what business model would that be? The business model which repeatedly ran his businesses into bankruptcy...? What Trump has done and is doing is following a national socialist model, and, thank God, owing to his incompetency he's doing a pretty piss poor job of it.

    Actually, Trump doesn't build many hotels. He mostly licences his name to seedy characters in foreign lands. His casinos went bankrupt. Trump no longer operates casinos. Thus far there is no indication that trump treats taxpayers like VIPs. Trump wants to give trillions of dollars in tax breaks to America's wealthiest, but to all others, not so much.

    Trump's cabinet is mostly a gaggle of billionaires who like him, inherited their wealth. Let's look at "positive experience". Trump entered office with an historically low job approval rating of 45%. That "positive experience" you referenced has driven his job approval rating down to 38%.

    The American middle class was the person are the people who have been shaken down and ripped off. America's wealthiest have done very well for themselves, and that continues under The Donald. There is nothing the Donald has even proposed thus far which will better the life of the American middle class.

    Where is your evidence Clinton replaced all federal judges? That unmitigated bullshit. He didn't replace Scalia or Thomas. Do you not realize federal judges are appointed for life? The president cannot replace all judges unless all judges die or resign all at once. Your assertion is just nonsense.
     
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    Today's thought from the Orange one: Do we really want a world with no nuclear weapons? Come now...

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Trump administration will review whether the United States will reaffirm the goal of a world without nuclear weapons as part of its U.S. nuclear policy reassessment, the top White House nuclear policy advisor said on Tuesday.

    Christopher Ford, the National Security Council’s senior director for weapons of mass destruction and counter-proliferation, told a nuclear policy conference that the Nuclear Policy Review will examine whether “the goal of a world without nuclear weapons is a realistic goal.”
    http://www.srnnews.com/trump-administration-to-review-goal-of-world-without-nuclear-weapons-aide/
     
  15. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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    The Elephant in the Room
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, Trump is putting the people first. He's putting his buddies first. He's putting his billionaire simpaticos first, and the people who elected him last. His budget proposal would cut programs which benefit the poor and middle class. It would raise the cost of their healthcare and price 14 million people out of the healthcare market within its first year per the Congressional Budget Office. A 60 year old man earning 26,000 dollars a year currently pays 1,700 dollars for healthcare under Obamacare. Next year, under Trump's plan, that man would pay nearly 15 thousand dollars for healthcare insurance alone. At the same time Trump's plan would provide his simpaticos with a 100+ billion dollar tax break. Yeah, a real man of the people your man The Donald is.

    There is no sugar coating it.

    The Constitution doesn't allow the Trump to trump the Constitution. Several judges, including Republican Republican judges have found Trump's Muslim ban to be illegal. The only scam artists here are the ones you follow, e.g. the Trumpster.

    Do you really think that makes sense?
     
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  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    You really could consider using bullet points to express your views as it helps clarify what you want to say better..even if you post it as a summary of your rant.
    • Improve self comprehension
    • Bullet point suggestion
    • Summary at end of rant
     
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  18. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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    Speaking of shakedowns the taxpayer is in for an epic ride.

    Trump family’s elaborate lifestyle is a ‘logistical nightmare’ — at taxpayer expense
    Donald Trump: America's Marie Antoinette

    Tens of millions of dollars in one year alone all the while he snatches health care for millions to finance tax breaks for the rich.

    His presidency is doomed. The ancient Greeks knew why: A man’s character is his fate. In that case, Trump’s presidency is doomed.
     
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    Trump's job approval rating has gone from 45%, already an historic low, to 37%. No other American POTUS has had such dismal job approval rating this early in his administration. Presidents normally enter office with high job approval ratings.

    So let's look at Trump's first few weeks in office. His already low job approval ratings have fallen like a rock. He and his administration are under investigation for colluding with the Russians in order to subvert our election and get elected. His signature legislation, the repeal and replacement of Obamacare, may not even pass the House which is dominated by Republicans. And he has managed to become an international laughing stock.

    I don't expect things will get better for The Donald. The FBI investigation of his campaign will likely linger for at least a year if not longer. Given what is known about Trump's business dealings, I wouldn't be surprised if he is or will soon be under investigation for violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. These investigations are just getting started.

    The economy may continue to thrive if he manages to get his massive stimulus bill through Congress and doesn't start a hot war or trade war. There should be some bipartisan support for a stimulus bill. But when Trump's job approval ratings are at historic lows so early in his administration, they aren't likely to get any better. Most presidents begin their administration with a bankroll of political capital. Trump's beginning his administration with a political capital deficit. So can Republicans find leadership elsewhere? I doubt it. The Republican Party suffers from a leadership deficit.

    I don't see how this ends well for Republicans. Maybe Republicans can manage to pass Trump's promised huge fiscal stimulus. But that isn't readily apparent. Further, Republicans have a crazy fiscal policy. They have promised to spend trillions of additional dollars while handing out trillions of dollars in tax cuts and to balance the budget too. There is this thing called math, and Republican math just doesn't add up. Republicans have an inconsistent and contradictory fiscal policy. So how that turns out is anybody's guess.

    I guess we can count on deregulation. Trump can do a lot of deregulation without Congress. But then there is the matter of competency. Thus far, Trump hasn't demonstrated even a modicum of competency.

    It's looking pretty damn bleak for The Donald.
     
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  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If we make the base assumption that all members of Congress have a certain level of competency, intelligence etc. then what you have posted would be blatantly obvious to them.
    Yet they lower themselves to argue an impossible case... Why?
    Is it simply that they need to be seen to support Trump's crazy spending spree or is it because the base premise I am working to is flawed?
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The Republican Party has by various means destroyed the workings of intelligence and the competence derived therefrom, among its Congressmen. It did this years ago - more or less completed the task by about 1994.
     
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  22. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Trump is most definitely placing people first, starting with people whose surname is Trump. And then there are all those Russian people who have lots and lots of money.
    Then unfortunately for most people, the list ends.

    What people like wellwisher refuse to see is that Trump is not looking out for their interests, he's looking out for his interests. If that involves having to bankrupt the US or start a nuclear war, it's just business.
     
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  23. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    This will only show for today, but did anyone see the main eight headlines: http://www.cnn.com/

    :EDIT:

    Other headlines now...
     
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