The Trump - Putin Ticket

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jul 31, 2016.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Trump just called Flynn a great guy and blamed his demise on the media and leaks. He just fired the guy for lying to Pence and to him.

    Trump just confirmed were it not for the leak, Flynn would still be the national security director.
     
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  3. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    First, I do not care about political correct speech. Second, your ideas about Putin's meaning of life is simply Western propaganda.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well, that's not exactly true, is it? You are very concerned about politically correct Russian speak. You have steadfastly refused over the course of more than a year to write anything even mildly critical of your beloved Putinia.

    You remind me of Trump. Everything you don't like is propaganda, fake news, etc.

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    Unfortunately for you comrade, facts matter; the truth matters, and it's not going away because you don't like it.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    More accurate is to say you don't care about facts or the truth..
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Trump's no doubt feeling a little lonely now that his Russian handlers are being slowly moved out of his sphere. First it was his campaign manager and now it's Flynn. Whose next? How many more Russia spy masters surround The Donald? Is Bannon next? Russian state media has become considerably less sanguine since Flynn's removal.

    I think Putin is learning co-opting the American government is a little more difficult and complicated than he realized. The US isn't like Russia.
     
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  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Nixon's Watergate scandal didn't erupt until his second term.

    Trump blundered into his version of Watergate before election day, and it has only gotten worse. Trump has been operating under the shadow of Trump's Russiagate since the waning days of the election, and it has done nothing but get worse for him as more and more information becomes public. I don't see how this gets better for him.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ael-flynn-intelligence-election-a7580836.html
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    We will see how Russo friendly the Trump administration is tomorrow. Tomorrow one of Putin's oligarch buddies faces a US extradition hearing in Austria. The US has tried to get this guy for 3 years now. He has been charged with violating the Corrupt Practices Act, and he has several connections to Trump's associates, including his former campaign manager.

    It will be interesting to see if the recent changes at the Justice Department translates into leniency for this guy, being a Russian oligarch and all.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-02-16/will-trump-rescue-the-oligarch-in-the-gilded-cage
     
  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    #PutiTrump | #WhatTheyVotedFor

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    Alright, that's it.

    The former British spy who authored a controversial dossier on behalf of Donald Trump’s political opponents alleging ties between Trump and Russia reached an agreement with the FBI a few weeks before the election for the bureau to pay him to continue his work, according to several people familiar with the arrangement.

    The agreement to compensate former MI6 agent Christopher Steele came as U.S. intelligence agencies reached a consensus that the Russians had interfered in the presidential election by orchestrating hacks of Democratic Party email accounts.

    While Trump has derided the dossier as “fake news” compiled by his political opponents, the FBI’s arrangement with Steele shows that the bureau considered him credible and found his information, while unproved, to be worthy of further investigation.

    Ultimately, the FBI did not pay Steele. Communications between the bureau and the former spy were interrupted as Steele’s now-famous dossier became the subject of news stories, congressional inquiries and presidential denials, according to the people familiar with the arrangement, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.


    (Hamburger and Helderman↱)

    I got nothin'.

    I'm going to remember the phrase, "Hamburger and Helderman", for quite a while. It's not quite "Woodward and Bernstein", but it has an awesome ring, and, really, this must count as some manner of threshold.

    I can't even begin to account for all the connections and crossings, the obvious being the chain of interest: GOP oppo → Democratic oppo → Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    A few weeks before the election?

    You know, part of the who knew what and when is going to reach back to Barack Obama, and we know what his answer is going to be: Something along the lines of how it is his duty to have faith in the institutions of the federal government and dedicated, sworn patriots who will protect the people because, by God Almighty, the last person to be disrupting the election or incoming successor is the outgoing president.

    Everyone, of course, will be interested in Mr. Comey's answer.

    The WaPo report does manage to note:

    The revelation that the FBI agreed to pay Steele at the same time he was being paid by Clinton supporters to dig into Trump’s background could further strain relations between the law enforcement agency and the White House.

    That was probably unnecessary speculation on the part of an alleged emblem of the purported liberal media conspiracy. Those not given to such paranoia, of course, just see it as stirring controversy in the guise of attending the needs of "both sides" when, in proper Fourth Estate theory, that shouldn't be a consideration insofar as truth will out.

    Neither is it necessarily incorrect. The question is inevitable, because these are Republicans we're talking about, in the end, and even if it wasn't a real fact they would make it up, anyway.

    Steele’s frustration deepened when FBI Director James B. Comey, who had been silent on the Russia inquiry, announced publicly 11 days before the election that the bureau was investigating a newly discovered cache of emails Clinton had exchanged using her private server, according to people familiar with Steele’s thinking.

    Those people say Steele’s frustration with the FBI peaked after an Oct. 31 New York Times story that cited law enforcement sources drawing conclusions that he considered premature. The article said that the FBI had not yet found any “conclusive or direct link” between Trump and the Russian government and that the Russian hacking was not intended to help Trump.

    After the election, the intelligence community concluded that Russia’s interference had been intended to assist Trump.

    Perhaps this is why Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA43) was so incensed↱ following a January briefing: "All I can tell you is the FBI Director has no credibility."

    One might reasonably wonder if pretty much everyone whose job it is to see such things coming actually did.
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    Notes:

    C-SPAN. "Maxine Waters says, 'FBI Director has no credibility.'" 13 January 2017. C-SPAN.org. 28 February 2017. http://cs.pn/2mCwLDU

    Hamburger, Tom and Rosalind S. Helderman. "FBI once planned to pay former British spy who authored controversial Trump dossier". The Washington Post. 28 February 2017. WashingtonPost.com. 28 February 2017. http://wapo.st/2lUaodq
     
  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    You are disgusting and unpatriotic , you really thing he will sell his 330 million citizen to a schlack of
    Russian of 146 million population , that is a sick mentality.
    You democrats instead keeping the nation together , you want to divide it , so the other world power would
    take advantage of divided nation and eventually piss on us.
     
  14. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    What goes around, comes around. I'm not a Democrat but it seems like the last eight years under Obama looked exactly the same: the Repubs were merciless to him.

    Of course there is one big difference: Obama had grace and style. Trump has the temperament of a 12-year old playground bully and the intellect to match.
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm fairly certain Trump would sell his mother to the highest bidder, given the opportunity.

    After all, this IS the man that feels no remorse about the "Grab her by the pussy" comments... the same man that offered that dissenters in his audiences "deserve to be roughed up"... you know, the same guy that admires Putin and his ability to "take what he wants"...
     
  16. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    True. So you KNOW where we stand in his scheme of things.
     
  17. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    He doesn’t necessarily want to sell you to the Russians, he mostly wants to treat you like one of their masses, and for himself, be like their masters.

    "Donald Trump is and always has been an oligarch," Jeffrey Winters, a Northwestern University political scientist who specializes in the study of such systems, said in a phone interview. "His primary base of power until this point has been his wealth."

    Indeed, Trump's entire public image is built around displays of pomp and riches, from his private helicopter, jet, and yacht to his Rolls Royce, mansions, penthouses and high-powered friends.

    Although he championed populist causes such as halting free trade, slowing globalization and deporting immigrants, "it's almost unbelievable that anybody in society would actually think that this oligarch is going to deliver policies that threaten American oligarchs," Winters said. "There's no reason to think it."

    https://www..com/story/13888539/1/t...igarchy-not-likely-since-he-s-part-of-it.html
     
  18. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Why would any one to run for presidency, ( treat you like one of their masses, and for himself, be like their masters.) is not that to be a master ? But I think you guys are making a disservice to this country, by continuing criticizing. The system elected him , so give him a chance , if he does something against the interest of the nation impeach him , let him function, He is only one month on the job.
    Example : if you ge hired on a job in a corporation , the company puts you for several months on a traing period . In his ( Trump ) case you guys have started to crucify him since inauguration.
     
  19. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately there is no honeymoon or training period when it comes to writing executive orders that cost the USA hugely due to incompetence.
    How much has Trump's stupidity cost the USA so far?
    How many people have suffered hate crimes and suicides due to Trumps lack of verbal restraint?
    How much has Trump earned for the USA?
    ZERO!
    He has been big on spending other people's money but shows no ability to earn one cent for the USA and yet earns plenty for himself.

    Making the USA great again means making the USA PROFITABLE! All he is doing is focusing on spending and not earning.

    The sheer cost of increased border protection, deportations, extreme vetting must be massive.
    How is he going to pay for it?
     
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  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Spending big won't make USA great. Earning big might. Trump has no idea how to make money for a nation. No vision.
    Gates : capitalized on globalization and made wealth.
    Trump wants to let some other nation capitalize on globalization perhaps.

    Just the loss in USA reputation will cost trillions no doubt in the medium to long term.
     
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  21. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    From a corporate point of view, this candidate should have never been hired. A competent recruiter would’ve bounced Trump from the process early on based on his conduct. The fact that he did get the job is an indication of just how flawed our national hiring system is.
     
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  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    and that is probably the most important lesson in all this... How did such an unqualified and unfit person succeed in gaining candidacy for POTUS?
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    #this | #that

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    Well, that's kind of a non sequitur, but depending on which portion of our souls he's selling, sure, as long as he thinks he's getting a terrific deal that he can brag about later.

    Well, priorities are as priorities will. At least the non sequitur makes sense.

    Well ... er ... ah ... what?

    • • •​

    I confess it seems a curious assessment. Tell you what, when Trump offers single payer health care and Democrats lock step to fight back, tooth and nail, denouncing it as a right-wing corporate takeover of human rights, maybe your version of exactly the same will have some more communicable significance.
     

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