It ain't gonna happen, and his followers will never hold him accountable. This isn't about issues, as much as it should be. This is about pure tribalism. This is about our basest human emotions.
This is a Republican President. Reagan was never held to any of his promises (balanced budget, Star Wars, tax relief for the working class, shutdown of illegal immigration, etc); W was never held to any of his promises (he had somewhat in the way of an excuse, each new fuckup excusing the non-delivery of the last promised benefit).
Philosophically he won the election as an independent who managed to persuade the Republican party and a good number of democrats to support him. He is not a Republican President. He is a republican supported president... this is a key distinction and entirely unprecedented if I am not mistaken.
Quantum Quak, Trump won primarily because enough democrats did not vote for Hillary. At present count Trump got 60.4 million votes, Romney in 2012 got 60.9 million, Obama in 2012 got 65.9 million, Hillary got 61 million. The rural white vote did help in insuring an electoral college win for trump though, as the less populated state have slightly more voting power, but had Hillary got a few million more votes all around Trump would have lost. When we look at specific democrats, other than the rural vote, trump made very small or no gains, rather Hillary lost much larger percentages than Trump gained. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! We will see how independent trump is, I would put money on him just rubber stamping what ever the republican controlled congress spit out.
You know there is some things about the left that are completely irresponsible. Conceptually there is nothing wrong with the wall idea. It is true illegal immigrants break the law by entering a country outside of proper channels or overstay their visa. It is true mexico has been more of a negative nuisance because of all the drugs. It is also not true they are all or mostly workers. The men may work but the women are notorious for trying to glean every avenue of additional welfare lying about income, household size etc and it is true they have more children to recieve more welfare. The statistics show that. Milwaukee, wisconsin was once a nice city but has been overrun with hispanics and full of graffiti, crime and a welfare ridden city. The hispanics scout which states or areas are most generous and then suck it dry. I was talking to someone yesterday and they said the major problem is drugs and he remembers when it wasnt that bad. It is true mexico pumps billions of dollars worth of drugs into america and make money off the corruption and deterioration of america. This is objective fact. Even if it wasnt the case, how can illegal immigration and border jumpers be excused or rationalized no matter where they come from? Besides, what is this entitlement issue of hispanics that america has bowed to? Call anywhere and its press one for english and two for spanish. Honestly, who the fuk do they think they are? Besides their damn bananas and drugs, they come to america and feed off welfare as well as take jobs by lowering wages. Do you know how they do that? Mostly being paid cash as well as living in big groups to save money. There may be many in one apartment or house. What is this 'fuck the wall' issue with the protestors? Is it a physical logistical issue they think is silly or are they bizarrely opposed to respecting a country's borders and laws? Even worse, do they think america and mexico are the same country or are they just insane? I dont know about this wall but stiffer penalties for illegal immigration should definitely be enforced as well as border patrol.
Yeah...it is not as though they were the first to discover American. The underlying problem is poverty. Building a wall is good only because something is being built and building finally means jobs. And then it needs to be manned and maintained which means jobs. And not jobs for robots or folk looking at a computer screen but jobs for the folk who did not go to college but still want a paid job. And of course in time the wall will have to come down and more work for workers who shower after work rather than before. And no one asks "what is welfare?" Well let me answer even though no one ever asks. Welfare is money paid by the elite (yes cause all the money out there is really their money) to the masses who end up with no work. And they have no work because of efficiencies that takes away their slice of the pie. Further we all know it is best paying folk not to work rather than address the high inflation that errodes capital if everyone has paid work. We know interest rates rise to put folk out of work and what better way to manage inflation. So poverty is a good thing and it is wonderful that folk at least get paid not to work but they should not be hated or denegrated for without their sacrifice we would not have so much prosperity. Imagine a world without welfare these folk may then demand work and a bigger slice of pie. Is there a better way? Frankly I doubt there is. But it would be decent if we could eliminate the class hatred the current system produces. Alex
I'll confine the response to the one selected bold item, in the hope that the lesson of it will be extrapolated in good faith to the rest: Note that is not a list of the States with the most generous welfare benefits. Here is Cato Institute - a source with impeccable wingnut cred - listing the welfare States's generosity in order: http://thefederalistpapers.integrat...ontent/uploads/2014/11/all-states-welfare.jpg Wisconsin - where Milwaukee is - ranks 36th of 50. Plus, winter is severe there. Easy living is not the attraction, eh? Note again the complete lack of correlation with immigrant preference. Now extrapolate: None of the rest of that paragraph is any more factual, or objective, than that. It's all - technically - bullshit: accurate only by accident. So why does it exist, that paragraph? Where did all that crap come from?
There are a half dozen better ways. But none of them make 1000% percent profit on an item nobody needs and everybody buys.
Well, spending money just to spend money when there are so many other important and needed projects is profligate. We need to spend trillions of dollars developing our infrastructure. Our electrical grid is in dire need of repair and upgrade, and for something that important, we should have done it years ago. But we haven't despite the many warning signs. We shouldn't be doing make work projects like building silly walls when there are so many more important and direly needed projects.
The easiest ways to have blocked most of the illegal immigration would have been: 1) Don't trash the local economies south of the border, with predatory trade deals and ugly interference in local governance and punitive drug laws that finance organized crime. Too many of these illegals are refugees, from bad stuff the US caused in the first place. 2) Enforce the law at the easy, funnel point: the employer. This whole labor import thing was started by American corporations who wanted cheap and vulnerable labor, set in motion as soon as Reagan was elected and the Feds could be counted on to wink at the massive legal violations. No demand, no supply. And one good way to enforce it would be via unions - no jails, no snooping expensive officials, little paperwork, hardly any government expense at all. (Note the contribution of Reagan in breaking the unions - again: cheap labor, doesn't matter where it comes from)
Of course you are correct. I often view programs on TV where seemingly good football stadiums are pulled down to erect a bigger better one, and shows as to how they build a car that will do 400 klms per hour and all sorts of wonderful things that seem to me perhaps not even as smart as building a wall to keep out workers and drugs both in high demand. Guiding how precious resources are expended seems not to be attached to reason but certainly the projects you suggest seem more than reasonable. I think Trump recognises that building is good however he may be one who enjoys and profits from inflation as all involved in real estate will relate to so the test for him will be how to stop the price of a loaf of bread doubling each week. The only proof that he is mad is the fact that he chased the job of president...I would not touch it with a barge poll. Something to think about... What would the world be like if we only applied resources to "sensible" things...make a list of the industries one would eliminate... I will start...gambling, fashion, toy cars, toy boats, professional sport, .... But make your own list and in doing so it will dawn upon you what a terrible job it must be trying to figure out how to keep humans occupied and happy. Alex
Unless you've been to milwaukee, you dont know its bullshit. Of course they didnt go for the weather. Please speak with the locals. Are you also one of those who believe those travel brochures highlight the real country, prices and points of interest? No, skewed. Statistics can be skewed or out of touch just like the news. What is more curious is why you glossed over the fact of illegal immigration itself and the fact billions of dollars in drugs pouring in from mexico to america. You dont think thats a problem? Or how about press two for spanish? How is the 'rest' bullshit? Do you actually know what they do or your idea of being informed is looking up statistics from your gated community? Please explain but i doubt you could honestly justify it. As in do you have a problem with laws being enforced? Im playing devil's advocate that both liberals and conservatives have their blindspots, negligence or insanity. When the right criticizes the left legitimately, its your lack of common sense.
You know, I'm certain that's a fascinating discussion in and of itself but what has it to do with the present discussion? (1) Physical logistical issue. (Complicated and stupid.) (2) Expense issue. (Expensive.) (3) Efficiency issue. (Useless; won't stop undocumented entry.) (4) Anti-American. (Antithetical to American heritage: She lifts her lamp beside the golden door.)
Could you please explain to me why most manufacturing and jobs are exported to china, india, and somewhat canada? Mexico is right next door with supposedly cheap labor available. It would be even more profitable and cost effective, would it not? Are you saying america has some prejudice against mexico? Yes, do explain why.
It also means that the price of illicit drugs would go through the roof after coming under or over the wall... (ironic isn't it?)
B-w-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h . . . . . . . . cry babies . . . . he won't even be in the White Housse for 2 months+ and the bleeding heart liberals are demanding Trump's actions already! For your reference: "Elections have consequences . . . . ." [source B.H. Obama, ca. 2009]
well said! You are highlighting one of the key and often ignored issues confronting modern 1st world societies, that being with all the tech advance low qualified/skilled jobs are disappearing. eg. Just the move by the banks to ATM's has had a huge impact on female employment... Of course the banks would say other wise... Cashiers, book keepers, customer services, etc all take a huge hit. The common use of EFPOS machines in itself means a huge reduction in administration for most small businesses. The automation of warehousing, robotic product handling, road building, and even that wall promised will have a huge degree of mechanical tech added. Another example: Here the state wide rail system has put in place automatic ticketing, removing the need for ticket staff at stations, guards, and other sundry personnel ( book keepers, administration etc.) that would have employed 10's of thousands of low skilled but diligent workers. Track maintenance carried out by machines making thousands redundant. One of the saddest things we lost to growth is that the rail system used to be a large 'disability" employer, gainfully employing people who would not normally be able to work due to disability. So the excuse for a large military is to soak up those who can't get a job/career else where. BUT to justify a large military you need ..... War has commonly been used as a great way we humans eliminate male competition, for jobs, women, money and resources... ( not necessarily by culpable intent but an underlying subconscious driver all the same)
Folk rattle on about human rights but neglect to mention how nice it would be if every human could enjoy the dignity of a paid job. Oh we must be efficient etc... Those at the bottom are very efficient as one has to be when there is not enough for food and rent in the same week. I can understand why someone in poverty does not like being told it is their fault because they lack the education they could not afford or lost their job and house because the price of their labour was not competitive. And then to draw hatred from a class who had benefits they, the have nots, only see on TV about life styles they can only imagine. Trump somehow read the minds of the underdog but I don't like his chances of effecting change it would seem too much for the nation to change...the American dream needs some fine tuning but it will take time and beyond one man. I don't know how the place survives with the apparent class hatred. It seems rich folk look down upon poor folk, educated folk look down upon in educated folk, and so on. For a place saying equality is the foundation of the culture there are some aspects that need fixing for the rest of the world to believe that premise. Alex
Indeed they do have consequences and you are about to get it in spades.. Donald Trump has repeatedly said that three of his children—Ivanka, Donald Jr., and Eric Trump—will run his companies in a blind trust. It’s a claim Rudy Giuliani repeated over the weekend: A top adviser to President-elect Donald Trump says it would be “unrealistic” to purge his children from his businesses and hand their control over to an independent trustee. Appearing on televised interviews on Sunday, Giuliani initially said Trump should set up “some kind of blind trust.” When pressed, Giuliani told CNN’s “State of the Union” that Trump’s unusual situation might call for more flexibility than a traditional blind trust and involve his three children. While most rational people would be dubious about his children running his companies in a blind trust - because apparently he doesn't know his own children?.. It seems that Trump does not understand what a blind trust actually is. The Trump admin will not stop there. Oh no, here comes the fun part. Now comes this stunning development: Donald Trump has reportedly asked the White House for top secret security clearance for his three children. [...] So much for that blind trust! Ladies and gentlemen, it is becoming increasingly clear that Donald Trump is not prepared for the job of president of the United States. Being the offspring of Donald Trump does not qualify this trio to be privy to the most sensitive top secret material we have. These young Trumps were not elected, have never served in public office, have ZERO military background, and should not be cleared at the highest security levels in this country. They are totally unqualified to be making high-level security decisions, particularly if they are managing Trump properties and businesses around the world. Elections do have consequences.. "B-w-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-h" indeed. Your President elect is looking at the White House as a business opportunity, so much so that he wants his 3 children who will run his companies to have top security clearance...
But ... but ... they're already using tunnels. How deep is this wall going to run? I mean, seriously, they have miles-long, engineered tunnels already. And they have boats and airplanes and submarines. Unless you're sending mules through an actual checkpoint, the wall will probably provide business opportunities • • • Used to be true. Then Republicans demanded we call it off. And then they won. Something of a paradox conservatives have managed, there. Then again, nothing new. Didn't really think that one through, did you? Of course, why would you?
