The truth unveils - the peace activists are "shahids"

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Mr.Spock, Jun 2, 2010.

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  1. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    Not really.

    There were uprisings while Poland was under Nazi occupation. Hell, there was an uprising every decade when they were under Soviet occupation. I guess the Polish were just a violent people who needed routine collective punishment, rationing, gulags and beatings to break their violent spirit, right?

    It's nice to know that you support the 'moral right' of the oppressor to continue oppressing and kill the people they are occupying, who may or may not be using passive and/or active resistance.

    Quite simply, any violence Mohammahed and his goat committed against the IDF pales in comparison to the destruction perpetrated by the Nazi IDF. For fucks sake, they glassed the Gaza Strip and Lebanon over bullshit pretexts. These people are (in general) violent, and also have a history of antagonising whichever host population they sought shelter with.
     
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  3. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    Up yours. I hate right-wing donkeys, whether they live in Israel or Palm Beach, Florida. All they do is cause trouble, and they are completely useless to the world at large. I would love to stick a dagger into the throat of that infantile donkey you call a leader. I heard he was pitching up a fuss to make sure he got a nice double-bed for his next flight overseas. What a loser.

    Look, dude: your fearless leader has been botching up your relations with your most reliable allies, alright? With fearless leaders like that jerk, you don't need your enemies to bring you down.

    Save Israel! Fire Netanyahu!
     
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  5. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    Nobody asked for your opinion. I believe the IDF more then I believe terrorists with guns.

    People who tell Jews to go back Auschwitz are scum. No matter how you cut it. You want to defend them? Shows precisely who you are.

    Rubbish. Trolling and putting words in my mouth. Nice try.

    more rubbish.
     
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  7. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    Whose video evidence? The IDF's? Which starts in the middle of events? And is open to interpretation? I need to squint to make out what is happening, and even then I'm unsure.

    The passengers were intially fired upon by the IDF. When the Nazi IDF forces dropped down in the dead of night, the passengers had no idea what would happen to them. Given the brutal reputation of IDF forces, including their well known history of shooting civilians and beating the shit out of political prisoners, it was quite reasonable to treat the commandos as a threat. The passengers were well within their rights to defend themselves against what are essentially Nazi forces in international waters, the blockade of questionable legality not withstanding. Sadly, and unsurprisingly, the Nazi IDF brought heavy weaponry to a knife fight, and were not hesistant to use them. Even against media reporters, some of whom they shot in the back.

    I guess the fears of the crew were justified after all, hmmm?
     
  8. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    If you lost your friend, dont be sad, he wasnt your friend in the first place. Turkey was never a real friend to Israel. Screw them and their leader.
     
  9. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    This video was taken by the Navi Marmara security Cam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU&feature=player_embedded

    You can stick your head in the sand all you want, the evidence speaks for itself.
     
  10. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    You have a credible source for that? I doubt it.
     
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, really

    The Poles did not strap bombs to their children, dismantlement their sewage system to make rockets for a clearly futile aggressive gesture, and again the Poles never trow nazi or soviet soldiers asunder in mobs, while screaming with joy while mutilating the corpses.

    Pathetic ad hominem, I have repeatedly stated that Israel is in the wrong for occupying the west bank and Gaza, for the blockade, for generally interfering with Palestinians. And again only scum would strap bombs to their children and think that legitimate resistance. But considering the Palestinians high birthrate (which would be impossible if they were starving to death) they seem to view their children as weapons, PR weapons, physical weapons a commodity against the infidels.

    Yeah that why after 50+ years the have not only not managed to kill off the Palestinians but the Palestinian population has grown considerably, if the Palestinians were killed off I would believe you that Israeli is Nazi, now mind you signs seem to be point towards them going that way and they may very likely enact the 'final solution for the Palestinian problem' someday but they aren't quite there yet when they are invading ships with paintball guns.
     
  12. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    You don't get to vote in Turkish elections, though, Mister Spock. You are forgetting that. The only political system you have any sway in is your own.
     
  13. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    You don't get to vote in Israeli elections, though,Alien Cockroach. You are forgetting that. The only political system you have any sway in is your own.
     
  14. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    Do quit responding to Ms. Bells. You are only encouraging her and wasting precious bandwidth. That bandwidth could have been used to deliver pornographic images to the computer screen of some HIV-infected black guy in Africa.
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    From your own link:

    I would also suggest you re-read what you quoted and apply it to what happened on those ships. Boarding does not give the IDF the right to confiscate all mobile phones, cameras and other electronic equipment used by neutral journalists. The use of "paintballs" with glass shards imbedded in them firstly is not proportionate force. Nor was the use of flash grenades, stun grenades and sound grenades with tear gas before they even attempted to board. And that is just for starters. The ships were in International waters, registered to another country. The laws state quite clearly that Hamas would have to be governing a foreign country to Israel. Israel is an occupying force.. The rest should be quite obvious to you without my having to explain it to you.

    Now, we come to how they actually killed the activists and journalists. Close range shots, some to the back of the head. Again, I don't need to explain the legalities of self defense when you're doing an execution shot..

    Then why did you post it and seek an opinion?

    Most importantly, why don't you believe the original audio recordings released by the IDF?

    Yes they are.

    So why was that not in the original audio recordings released by the IDF?

    I'm not defending that kind of ideology and I never have, nor would I ever do so. I am questioning why the original audio recordings released by the IDF and Israeli Government did not have that bit in it when they played the exchange in full? Why was there no mention made of it until now?

    So why is that Spock?

    I mean I can see that you are desperate to portray me as that type of person, such as asking me if I'd let a Jew live in my house, etc, after asking me if I'd check the Palestinians out to make sure they are not terrorists.. And that's fine. If you need to justify your own bloodlust and hatred by trying to project your hatred onto others, go right ahead. That's you. Not me. I have no problems with Jews, just as I have no problems with Muslims or people of any faith. What I do have a problem with is when Governments abuse the rights of others and deny them their basic fundamental rights to survive.

    I can go back through your posting history and point out every single post where you have been racist and a bigot and displayed your hatred of Palestinians. Your comments in the other thread would be enough to keep me busy for an hour at least. I don't need to put words in your mouth. Your mouth is able to put the words there all on its very own.

    Right.. Of course it is dearie.

    Now, don't you have some batteries to take out of wheelchairs before you send it over to Gaza?
     
  16. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    lol

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  17. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    I did look at them and responded in the other thread.
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    It was quoted here.
     
  19. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    I voted for the jungle bunny twice, primary and general elections, and I think he's doing pretty good. What can I say to persuade you to get rid of your national idiot?

    Hey, Bells! Do you want to come and talk crap to me? I jack off to it, you know.
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    How can you interpret people clubbing and stabbing any other way?

    Wow get your eyes checked!

    Then they would all be dead! The IDF would not drop solider down into awaiting clubbing goons if they were going to shoot first.

    Yeah that why the video evidence shows them waiting with clubs and other assorted weapons.

    Police also have a good history of brutality, therefor if a cop pulls you over you should club and stab him? Pigs/eeer Police have a names for that "death by cop"

    Yeah paintball guns are heavy weapons, they should have come in with uzis that would have been lighter firepower.


    No many wanted to die.
     
  21. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    I did not expected you to response in any other way.

    I never said I didnt believe them. You are just trolling.

    Good.

    From the same reason soldiers were sent in with paintballs.

    Yes you have by putting words in my mouth and asserting I think all those who are not like me are Scum when I clearly stated that those who say we should go back to Auschwitz are just scum. By doing so you are trying to defend them.

    Again Stupidity.

    Again Stupidity.

    More rubbish.

    You just putted words in my mouth saying I think everyone different from is scum. Any one with minimal reading comprehension can see exactly what I meant by that. So either you are stupid, or you did so on purpose.
     
  22. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    No credible source.

    I would hang al the kneset if I could. Nevertheless, Its turkey wanting a confrontation. Those morons.
     
  23. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Sure it does. Sorry Bells but did you know that coming into the US from certain countries or sometimes what is seemingly random that immigration can take the hard drive from your computer? So yes it is legal and quite what you would expect in a situation like a large group of people (almost 1 thousand) are trying to cross a blockade.

    So look at this for example and read where the law says something about entering borders:

    The Fourth Amendment may prohibit “unreasonable searches and seizures” and require “probable cause,” but not at the border, according to the 9th Circuit US Court of Appeals, which has ruled that Customs and Border Protection agents could conduct random, warrantless searches and seizures of laptops without probable cause.

    The Los Angeles Times tells the story of Bill Hogan, a freelance journalist, who recently returned home from Germany. At Washington’s Dulles International Airport, a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agent pulled him aside, and said he could reenter the country, but seized Hogan’s laptop for inspection. He had been chosen for the CBP’s “random inspection of electronic media.” They kept his computer for about two weeks.

    Since 9/11, CBP agents have been searching and seizing laptops, digital cameras, cellphones and other electronic devices at the border, without search warrants, or probable cause. CBP agents can subject these devices to extensive forensic analysis, according to the courts.

    Maria Udy, a UK citizen working for a US global marketing firm, had her company laptop seized by a federal agent prior to flying from Dulles International to London, in December, 2006. The Washington Post reports Udy said the agent told her he had a “security concern” with her. Fourteen months later, Udy’s laptop had not been returned, nor had she been able to find out what happened to it.

    http://www.consumertraveler.com/tod...rotection-may-confiscate-your-laptop-and-pda/

    So you see this can happen and does happen when there is no cause. Now look at some 600 people crossing into a blockade with an unknown cargo and you have due cause right there. This is something I know you should know.

    As for 'close range' shots, you should know, I mean I would expect you to know, that multiple shots at close range or even in the back of the head doesn't mean it wasn't done in self-defense especially if its in a crowd or a riot. You would basically need a forensic re-creation of events to show that each bullet wound was intentional and not in self-defence.
     
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