the universe was created by an act of love.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by leopold, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    He said, "God can sit by and idly watch as millions of children endure pain and suffering no child should suffer and deem it necessary to prove free will". He was talking about "God...deem[ing] it necessary to prove free will", and that was all I responded to. Your quip about theists proving anything is a strawman, and if you wish to digress into a discussion on that, start a new thread.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    And yet, God and religions and the religious texts often preaches about protecting and taking care of the weak.. Ah hypocrisy.

    Indeed, why prove anything when you are meant to blindly follow without question.

    Do as I say, not as I do.

    As I said before, a God of indifference and one that is often narcissistic and has attributes of a sociopath. Who watches the watcher?
     
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  5. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    God gives me life, makes me feel alive. Atheists like you rain on the parade. For some strange reason, negative thinking and atheism are equivalent. I guess what I'm saying is that atheism is probably equivalent to depression and mental illness. The earth is protected from cosmic radiation by the van allen belts; by a similar logic, the mind is protected from atheism by religion.

    What you embrace as "reality" is really sterilizing your heart, mind and soul. Atheism is killing you.
     
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  7. siledre Registered Senior Member

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    eventually when you have children you have to let them learn how to stand and survive without you, the universe is an interchange of energy and we are no different and that interchange is violent but it is self sufficient as god intended so god needs to do nothing, why would god care about our physical form when it's the spirit god cares about. all the suffering in the world is of mans making, one day when we grow up, then and only then will god, in whatever form taken, appear to us.
     
  8. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    The big bang is just an idea that came from male ejaculation during that sexual act. This act creates life in mammals.

    So thats all the idea of the big bang is, just male ejaculation. This is all the idea is, and shows you science is indeed religious.

    The scientific idea of the big bang just came from male ejaculation, that on our mini scale creates life, and continues you lot. I doubt the big bang theory is real, its just what they symbolically believe the universe start was.

    Falling in love, is just a way the universe makes sure you continue its existence. It needs energy to be forever changing.

    [Mod note: The big bang theory originated from the observation that the universe was expanding and, extrapolating that backwards in time, that it must converge on a single origin. Characterizing science as religious will not be tolerated (and subsequent posts that do so will be deleted/editted as the moderator sees fit), although you are free to equate creation with a sex act, as the OP does ask about opinions on an "act of love".]
     
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  9. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/82

    Bless you.
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You were the one who brought up freewill as God's excuse for why children must suffer, not me. If you can't evidence freewill why did you bring it up? Are we just supposed to take your word for it?
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You would rather live in a fantasy world of story book endings and magical plot twists. That's not the world we live in. There is real suffering out there beyond your quarantined life of delusion and special protections. Atheists facing that is the reason they are so motivated to help others, not by telling them fairy tales but by feeding the poor, helping the homeless, encouraging the despairing, and supporting the weak. No prayers for things to get better. No all night tom tom dances to make it rain. Just solid reliable actions toward their fellowman. Helping in anyway we can we help relieve some of that suffering that we'd all rather not hear about but which is going on all the time. Between the smug theist who has their head buried in the sand and the realistic atheist who is reaching out, I will always take the latter. Actions always speak louder than words. "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto", or "I am a human being, I consider nothing that is human alien to me."
     
  12. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    No hypocrisy at all. Religious texts urge protecting the weak BECAUSE the universe is a closed system where only man can do so without usurping free will.

    You said, "God...deem[ed] it necessary to prove free will", which has little or nothing to do with any theist proving anything. If you wish to discuss any proof claims about a god, start a new thread (citing a source for the specific claim/s). And you characterization of god relies heavily on taking religious texts literally, which is, at best, a hasty generalization of theist beliefs.
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    That would be the oxygen you breathe.

    Why?

    See, this is what I do not particularly understand with this complaint. No one is forcing you to be an atheist. Just to keep your religious beliefs to yourself.

    You are responsible for the life you live, no one else, not God, not anyone else but you. It's a giant leap to accept responsibility for your own life and actions.

    As much as believing in a father figure in the sky is equivalent to being delusional and mentally ill.

    Protection from what? Why does my not believe in God or any deity for that matter somehow affect your brain? Being a tad over dramatic, aren't you?

    This is akin to wearing a foil hat to ward off the Government from reading your mind.

    Having faced the real prospect of death a few times in my life, trust me, my not believing in God is not what is going to kill me. I'd rather face reality than retreat to believing in a father figure. It would be akin to believing in a magical unicorn. I have the mental strength and ability to face reality and embrace it for what it is without resorting to fantasy. It's called growing up.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The theist's universe is not closed. It is open to an infinitely powerful all-seeing being who can intervene in human affairs and answer prayers and prevent suffering and cause miracles even. I know of no known theistic system of belief that does not consider God an active agent in the events of the world.
     
  15. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Mazulu, that "some strange reason" that you refer to is your own delusional beliefs - as evidenced by...
    ...you Posting examples of your own "negative thinking "!
     
  16. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    gmilam, that would have been perfect if you had waited to Post it until Post # 42 !!!
     
  17. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Magical Realist, why must you equate an "act of love", or the lack of such, with children? Given the that the OP simply queried :
    Magical Realist, how, may I ask, do your Posted "thoughts" relate to "your experiences", as requested in the OP?
     
  18. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    [Mod note: The big bang theory originated from the observation that the universe was expanding and, extrapolating that backwards in time, that it must converge on a single origin. Characterizing science as religious will not be tolerated (and subsequent posts that do so will be deleted/editted as the moderator sees fit), although you are free to equate creation with a sex act, as the OP does ask about opinions on an "act of love".]

    So...this is the "Philosophy:Religion:" section of SciForums and "The Big Bang Theory" was originated by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Catholic Priest/Astronomer/Physics Professor.
    So..."Characterizing science as religious will not be tolerated".

    If that level of "tolerance" was widespread a century ago, there is every possibility that there would be no BB theory or Internet or even "SciForums" to exhibit that level of "tolerance" today.
     
  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The fact that the originator of the theory was Catholic doesn't make it a Catholic theory.
     
  20. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    [Mod Note: The Mod is acting fairly heavy handed, a common rookie mistake. Please stop deleting posts, a warning is sufficient.]
     
  21. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    True. But it fit with the conversation at the time. (Although I see the conversation has since been removed...)
     
  22. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    By applying that same Logic, one could state that it "doesn't make it a" Physics theory or Cosmological theory, either!

    And of course someone who believed that all of Creation was instantly manifested into existence/reality from a previous state of...(!?"nothingness(?!)... by the merest thoughts/words of a Supreme Being - could be excused for theorizing that all of the observed universe could have instantly manifested into existence from a previous state of...(!?"nothingness(?!)...by a Big Bang.

    I get it!
     
  23. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    I agree that theology's 'problem of evil' is the most obvious speed-bump in the path of the idea that the universe was created by an act of love. (Many would suggest that it's an impenetrable barrier.)
     

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