The unmanned Mars missions were probably faked

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by FatFreddy, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    What would the source of water be that would produce a river that wide near the top of a mountain? Rivers only get that wide once they've gone far from the top of a mountain and have picked up water from other sources. If you're going to say that erosion of the original area is the explanation, that much erosion would have destroyed the riverbeds too.

    You know I have no way of knowing where it might have been taken.

    https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html
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    19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
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    Maybe it was a wide two-lane logging road before all the trees were cut down, or a mining road.

    The whole picture might just be bogus and it's not a picture of anything from Earth.

    That's NASA's official story. The whole issue is about whether NASA lied. A possible lie is not proof. That's like NASA's using it's own data on space radiation to "prove" that the levels in the Van Allen belts were low enough for the astronauts to pass through.


    Same as above . NASA is the source for that picture. It might be bogus.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    The image is not of a mountain.

    Just as you have absolutely no way of proving that the image is not from Mars.

    Then prove it!

    But they have not lied. You posted a link of an image from an asteroid impact crater on Mars, you then say you don't believe it is what it is because you claim there is a road in the image.. While ignoring all evidence to the contrary, including satelilite images that show that it is not a road. You are unable to support your claims that it is fake. Your previous claims were also disproven when you realised they had the technology, but you then claim it can't be real because you claim there is a road there, but you cannot prove what road it is, and so on and so forth..

    You really are bad at this.

    Meanwhile the ESA has found further evidence of water once existing on Mars from their own satellites, thereby supporting NASA's evidence: https://www.usnews.com/news/article...ency-discovers-striking-ancient-river-on-mars

    Indian Space Agency's satellite image from their own Mars orbiter of Gale Crater and its surrounding geography (which you should pay particular attention to), clearly showing Gale crater where the rover landed and took the image you claim shows a road: https://www.isro.gov.in/pslv-c25-ma...mars-colour-camera-board-mars-orbiter-mission

    Do you think they all lied? Do you have evidence that NASA lied?

    No, you do not. Instead you claim you see a road, so it cannot be real.

    Edit to add, now that I am back at my computer..

    That "road" by the way? Is called Peace Vallis Channel. The Curiousity took the image from the end of the 'alluvial fan': https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2013JE004583

    More info on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Vallis

    You can locate it in Figure 1: https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA22210
    You can see it from satellite images here: https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/21466/locator-map-for-features-in-curiosity-panorama/?site=insight
     
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  5. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    It isn't near the top of the hill!

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    You have no idea about anything. I've never come across someone so ignorant. Even when people take time to educate you, you still deny things based on your pathetic opinion.


    What kind of idiot claims a 30 degree plus inclined road, that must be crazily wide is build and it goes nowhere! The steepest road in the world is 35 degrees!

    Prove it is a lie!

    The Russian's corroborated it. Conspiracy fools just make lots of loud noises.

    You are bogus. I see you claiming victory on your silly rubber room at spurstalk, where absolutely nobody agrees with you.
     
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  7. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    All the pictures you've cited as proof are fakable. Fakable pictures are not proof as they might be fake.
     
  8. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Prove that all pictures are fakable. Prove the one posted by YOU! is fake. The pictures aren't cited as proof, they are cited as evidence, it is your claim to prove they are all faked.

    https://www.theregister.com/2011/11/28/radio_hams_curiosity_signals/
    https://swling.com/blog/2020/10/rad...-mode-and-climbing-trees-for-a-better-signal/

    Your moronic circular logic can be applied to you. Prove you aren't the dumbest conspiracy theorist on planet earth.


    All conspiracies are made up bullshit. Bullshit conspiracies cannot be posted on an internet forum as proof.
     
  9. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    That's clear thinking. You didn't really make that point clear.

    You're assuming that the media* were telling us the truth about what was happening during the cold war. Check out Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.

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    In crucial respects, then, the Cold War was a kind of tacit arrangement between the Soviet Union and the United States under which the US conducted its wars against the Third World and controlled its allies in Europe, while the Soviet rulers kept an iron grip on their own internal empire and their satellites in Eastern Europe - each side using the other to justify repression and violence in its own domains. The Cold War even had a cultural component, with rival interventions in the art world.
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    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-8#post-3336204
     
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  10. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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  11. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    What would the motivation be on the part of NASA to fake this? Conspiracy theorists should think about the widespread secrecy that would it would take to pull off something like this. To engage in hoaxes of this magnitude would take nearly everyone at NASA to be in on it. Does that seem reasonable?
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    There it is, the admittance to following a conspiracy theory. What you're saying is that the Trump administration has total control over the very media he calls, "Fake News". The rest of your argument sounds like a Creationist whose entire argument is that God is so powerful, he can do anything he wants. Lame.
     
  13. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    https://cosmicrevelationsblog.wordp...-then-exactly-did-we-land-on-the-moon-part-i/
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    A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”.
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    Check out this info on the American media.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-26#post-3475851
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That's not info, that's the same gish-gallop you copy and paste wherever you go. You're a hoarder, FF, a hoarder of conspiracy theories. So, there you go, take that idea to Hollywood and you'll have a new hit reality tv show.
     
  15. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    How can anyone be this ridiculous! YOU are the one who presented this utter crap! Nobody has attempted to prove the missions since the onus is on the buffoon to prove they are faked.

    No. I won't check out any of your bullshit spammed links. Chomsky says 911 wasn't an inside job , "he can't be trusted"!

    The Russians corroborated the space radiation, your moronic link or unproven alternatives can safely be added to the dung heap of all other stupid conspiracies.
     
  16. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Listen up you master of woo and believer of shite - these are from amateur radio enthusiasts. Your eagerness to discard proof and to suck up horseshit is not compelling.
     
  17. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    'He obviously doesn't even believe what he's saying. There are several possible scenarios. I think the most likely one is that some goons from the government paid him a visit and made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

    The Shame of Noam Chomsky & left gatekeepers: Zwicker (#3


    Did you read that in the mainstream?
     
  18. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Unreliable information you say? Off topic crap ignored.

    No, it is an internet link to a website. Can we discard all your links in the same way? You are really quite pathetic.
     
  19. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Some websites are controlled by the same people that control the mainstream. Please post the link.
     
  20. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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  21. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Go back and look at the info in the link at the bottom of post #110.
    It's possible that your sites are genuine and it's possible that some public-relations agency created them to help fool the public. Something that may or may not be bogus can't be used as proof. Anyway, they only allegedly picked up the signal from the orbiter.
     
  22. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    No, it's possible that some public-relations agency created them to help fool the morons who like conspiracy theories.

    It's possible that some public-relations agency created every single one of your idiotic links to help fool the morons who like conspiracy theories.

    You argue like a five year old.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    How do you know that the video footage you constantly post and analyse to try to support you moon conspiracy nonsense is reliable, then? You say it can be faked. Hell, you say most of it has been faked. And yet, you constantly rely on its veracity. You rely on the fakery you see in the images being real.

    If you really believe you can't trust anything you see, now would be a good time to stop watching videos hoping to find the truth. Don't you think?
     
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