The West was warned. Now it is paying the price

TO THE QUOTE:

"Through their Democracy we will invade them, with Islam we will dominate them"

Pure unadultrated horseshit. I will be standing long after the dead , buried and bug rittled carcusus of religious fanatics have stopped stinking. I will not have accepted Allah or Christ and I will feel and be far better for it.

 

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We are hardly using full force.

We could be doing things WWII style- ie bomb/shell the city till nothing stands. Or we could just drop a nuke.

Be thankfull Reagan is not longer president *lol*, Lasers would be coming out of the sky!

 

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Whirlwind replies:

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Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, lQQKS like you (like George W. Bush) don't read books and/or newspapers.

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Trying to make a Iraq a democracy will be like trying to make whoremonger and bribe taker Neil Bush an honest man, ha-ha-ha-ha.

Hell, if we can't make Haiti, minutes from our shores, a center piece of Democracy, what can we expect in the Middle East where they hate our CRUSADER guts with much justification?

Hell, if that pseudo democracy (A nation with no CONSTITUTION, no BILL of RIGHTS and no DEFINED BORDERS) we see in Apartheidnik Israel is an example of America's GOOD WORK in the Middle East we have already lost Iraq!

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Whirlwind....

 

Vietnam: 1,400,000 massacred civilains.
Laos & Cambodia: 750,000 massacred civilians.

Not by the US.
But since you mentioned Nagasaki and Hiroshima, why didnt you mention the 1,000,000 Chinese civilians massacred by the Japanese?? I guess your argument is too one sided.....

 

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Sorry, I just happened to be watching unindicted war criminal Robert NcNamara (of Vietnam fame) on C-Span 10 days ago and he seemed rather proud of that 1.4 million civilian deaths in Vietnam number.

He was especially glib about the greatly increased civilian deaths that occurred after the Pentagon's "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" lies and half truths and the great increase in civilian deaths that occurred after the US sent masses of its heavy B-52 bombers to 'work on the north" after the Tonkin Resolution was passed by the US Congress.

Note: Interesting, huh? The war criminals are always on the losing side of a war.

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Messr. Henry Kissinger is another war criminal (Chile) that continues to elude justice, though he had a close call on Spain (Barcelona) in 2002 when he had to leave his hotel in the middle of the night and take an emergency flight to the US as he was "tipped off" that the Barcelona police were on the way to arrest him, a-la-Agusto Pinochet, style.

As for the Japanese, yes the massacres at Nanking (1927-1932) were a real holocaust but you must remember that Japan has been out of the genocide business for many decades now.

Besides, their attack of Pearl Harbour now seems to have been justified under George W. Bush's PREEMPTIVE WAR DOCTRINE inasmuch as the US was cutting off Japans sources of vital oil as the Japanese tentacles reached throughout SE Asia.

Whirlwind....

One sided facts?

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Yes, like in Israel where the US arms the LIKUDNIK's to the gills while disarming ther Arabs....

 

That's true. Because the US put them out of the genocide business.

But isn't an embargo similar to containment? I would think anyone who preferred the containment of Iraq to the pre-emptive war would agree that the US oil embargo in 1940 was preferable to war with Japan, and was a legitimate tool short of war to attempt to prevent Japanese aggression in the Far East.

 

"As for the Japanese, yes the massacres at Nanking (1927-1932) were a real holocaust but you must remember that Japan has been out of the genocide business for many decades now."

Oh, I guess that makes it ok then. Well being that Vietnam was almost 30 years ago, I guess everyone is cleared of their crimes.

 

US tactics appalling, say British officers
April 13, 2004

The British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has come under the strongest domestic political pressure yet to demand restraint from the US military, a bigger United Nations role and more say for Britain over decisions taken in Iraq.

Mr Blair, who is to meet President George Bush this week, came under fire from the Conservative opposition and appeared to be losing support among his back-benchers over the Iraq policy.

One senior army officer in southern Iraq said that the US's aggressive methods were causing friction among allied commanders and that there was a growing sense of "unease and frustration" among the British high command.

The officer, who would not be identified, said: "My view and the view of the British chain of command is that the Americans' use of violence is not proportionate and is over-responsive to the threat they are facing. They are not concerned about the Iraqi loss of life in the way the British are.

"The US troops view things in very simplistic terms. It seems hard for them to reconcile subtleties between who supports what and who doesn't in Iraq. As far as they are concerned Iraq is bandit country and everybody is out to kill them."

Although no formal complaints have as yet been made to their US counterparts, the officer said the British Government was aware of its commanders' "concerns and fears".

He explained that British troops would never be given clearance to carry out attacks such as the US helicopter gunship assaults on targets in urban areas.
"When US troops are attacked with mortars in Baghdad they use mortar-locating radar to find the firing point and then attack the general area with artillery, even though . . . it may be in'the middle of a densely populated residential area

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While it was trite, "American troops do shoot first and ask questions later", he said.

Despite private doubts about US tactics in Iraq, Britain's Defence Minister, Geoff Hoon, insisted the British-US coalition would not postpone its plan to hand sovereignty to Iraq on June 30.

He doubted the need for extra British troops. The situation was calm in the British sector, he said.

But the Conservative Party leader, Michael Howard, implied that British diplomats did not have enough sway with the US.

Britain's presence had been weakened by the departure of Mr Blair's special envoy, Sir Jeremy Greenstock, last month, he said.

Sir Jeremy left at the end of his six-month contract, handing over to his less experienced deputy, David Richmond.

Mr Howard said it had never been more important for Britain to have a strong voice in Baghdad, and called on the Government to appoint a "senior and experienced" representative to serve as the deputy to the US administrator, Paul Bremer.

The former foreign secretary Robin Cook urged Mr Blair to be robust with Mr Bush.

Labour Party MPs, who backed the war in Iraq in a crucial parliamentary vote, voiced grave doubts about their decision.

The Guardian; The Telegraph, London; Press Association

 

This coming from a culture that supports people who blow up city buses. Hypocrites.

 

Put the British in the Sunni Triangle and see what happens.

 

Pround Muslim,

Are you suggesting that this war should not had been started because there would have been casualty? If you have not yet realized it, casualty always accompanies war including, unfortunately, civilians. Be reminded that our military do not intentionally kill any civilian but instead tried their best to avoid civilian casualty. For example, the marines could have bombed every place where terrorists from inside had shot at them but instead, knowing that their lives would be more risky, they did not do that because there might have been civilian in there.

By the way, casualty does not include only civilians but also includes terrorists who has been able to demonstrate what they could do to the world stability.

 

Proud Muslim,

If you are so concered about Civilians then why do you support people who intentionally blow them up?

 

Lemmie clear the air for you Senor Muslim:

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The murder of civilians becomes the center of conversation but "only" when it is "your" civilians that have been murdered, maimed, wounded or otherwise incapacitated by the opposition.

Example:

1. When an IDF F-16 drops a JDAM on a Palestinian village like Jenin and massacres a dozen Palys - this is no biggie!

2. When the Iraqi's murder four US ex-military "hired guns" (AKA: Civilians) this is called murder!

3. When US cluster bombs massacre an entire village of 100 peasant civilians in Afghanistan - this is called "America's war against Terrorism."

4. When a Palestinian CRUISE BOMBER takes out an Israeli bus full of IDF soldiers and civilians THAT'S AMORE (just kidding

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), I mean that's TERRORISM.

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To make it short it's called RELATIVITY Proud Muslim!

Salaaaaaam!

Whirlwind....

 

5. when Whirlwind came home from 'Nam and the first hooker whom he paid to blow him bit it off and spit it in his face, that's amore

 

The difference is that one is intentional and the other was an accident. Why cant you see the difference?
You wouldnt happen to have your GPS cordinates handy would you??

 

are you forgetting the 1 MILLION iraqi CHILDREN (and newborn babies) that died DIRECTLY becasue of US SACTIONS. and yes you do AIM for suvillians becasue the millions kids didnt die over night the SLOWLY starved to death so US could of stopped at anytime. they even restricted (and cut at stages) AID WORKERS from helping.

 

IDIOT READ THE REPORT ABOVE BY THE BRITSIH SOLDIERS describing American fighting tactics.
you idiot you dont know American milatry tactics at all. if a certain house is shooting America are NOT ADVISED to go there and fight them with there MORE POWERFUL machine guns and their bullet proof vests, instead the call for back up which will send one or 2 fighters or a tank to bomb the ENTIRE AREA and then a helicopter to kill the rest of the people. that is why the death tolls for Civiallians is always so high in US fights.

If a US soldier will detect mortar on the thier mortar radar they are ORDERED to bomb the entire area.

America wont deny this if you ASK them but they never tell you if you dont - its called PROPOGANDA.

 

luckily the British may write a letter to the Pentagon which will bring much needed world attention and media coverage of how America is barbarically fighting.

 

OMG - You mean America is actually Fighting - I'm sooo shocked LOL!

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