"The Wise and God". A dialogue. A reflection...

Discussion in 'Religion' started by teroko, Apr 6, 2020.

  1. teroko Registered Member

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    One thing to mention would be the "Genesis", a tale of a very vengative God condening the entire humanity for the rest of the existency… That would be a Devil, not a God...
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How does it seem that we are purely material beings?
     
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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I looked up my name,
    Alexander Name Meaning: Its Symbolism and Destiny Implications
    The name Alexander attracts promptness, ingeniousness and tenderness.


    Letter Analysis
    APeople whose initial is 'A' know how to play on their qualities to make sure they get the best results and always come out first.
    LThe karma of the letter L is carrying light in one's life through experiencing new things.
    EThe 'E' reveals an emotionally strong personality, depicting a person with a largely sentimental response as opposed to a rational answer, in most situations.
    X'X' has an equivalent intensity with that of the number 6, one that is generally regarded as very sensual, enticing and passionate.
    ANot worrying about circumstances to risk missing out on the present is one of the golden rules that is dearly cherished by 'A'.
    NNegatively, the N's effect makes one be the first to throw the blame, as a way to turn the eyes from their own mistakes.
    DFrom the point of view of friendships, 'D' is generous and always seems to have a pep talk on hand and will remind their friend of their strengths.
    EThe E's three branches are openly extended, this shape is suggestive of broad thinking and willingness to learn.
    RWhen it comes to love, 'R' is turned on more by a great mind than a great body and is likely to be very private in their endeavors.
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Mere speculation....
    Alex
     
  8. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How did God condemn humanity for the rest of existence?
    Don’t you think vengeance should belong to the person that is absolutely aware of everything, simultaneously, compared to someone who is almost entirely ignorant.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmmm let me see our limitless obsession for material things and the need of most humans to follow a religion to grasp any hint of a perceived spirituality.
    Alex
     
  10. teroko Registered Member

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    Just read what God said to Adam and Eve in "Genesis"...
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    • Please post the sources of direct quotes
    On taking revenge a man is but equal with his enemy but to pass it over he is superior for it a princes part to pardon...

    I don't think JC is into revenge like his old man was.

    Alex
     
  12. teroko Registered Member

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    But things continue to be as ever were! Nothing changed…
    No, I don't believe such tale.
     
  13. teroko Registered Member

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    I believe in the following wrote on my own:

    "Our Universe seems to have not born perfect. Something could have gone wrong in its creation.

    Hope would exist if some "God", capable to fix the flaw, would exist.

    But that God could have also been affected and have troubles...

    May be we, all humans at Earth, could help someway just following our intuition. Every thing we could solve here could help God solve something there. Everything could be important.


    That's what makes sense to me although with the lack of some proofs.

    That's my faith. "
     
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  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    vengeance; punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong.

    recompense; make amends to (someone) for loss or harm suffered; compensate.

    revenge; the action of hurting or harming someone in return for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands.

    Vengeance is Mine, and recompense;
    Their foot shall slip in due time;
    For the day of their calamity is at hand,
    And the things to come hasten upon them.’

    Revenge and vengeance are not the same action.
     
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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I'll bring the coffee if that's you tipple

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  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It seems you have relegated it to the status of “ tale. But you still don’t appear to have a concrete reason for not accepting it. While at the same time needing to accept it to shed light on your inquiry. It seems to be self-defeating.
     
  17. teroko Registered Member

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    No, now is you that don't accept my arguments for not believe in the Bible. I won't discuss about this anymore.
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Matter cannot ever be perfect, because perfection requires it to be, just as it is.
    If it can change, it will eventually deteriorate. Meaning in can’t be perfect.
    The universe however, is complete, in that it does whatever it is supposed to do, including deterioration.
    Is your phone flawed, or does it do what it is supposed to do?
    If it wears down after 5years. Would you be surprised? How silly would you look if you demanded your money back because your phone wasn’t perfect/flawless?
    That’s not how it works.
    Maybe you should suspend your current idea about scripture (not just the bible), and really try and comprehend who and what God is.
    Your faith seems to be mixed with your own allusions. That’s not really faith. It’s more like you said, or implied, a conclusion.
     
  19. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Well your speculation is as good as the next guys ... everyone is in the dark making up their own answers...you can make up yours...you can all enjoy the dark together.

    Alex
     
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    Yes..I noticed after I finished writing my post but I though no one will notice...post reply.

    So you noticed .....I feel so much better that your God is just interested in vengeance ...of course...makes everything right...so sending someone to hell would be vengeance then?

    Alex
     
  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Agree somewhat
    Physics is perfect in so much as same conditions give same results

    Lighten up on the born - you are pre - supposing it WAS born

    For a perfect god? That would put a wrinkle in perfection

    Again lighten up with creation for same reason at born

    Two wrinkles in perfection

    Bad idea

    First establish he is there, (even WHERE there is would be a help) then establish what needs solving here which would help something there

    It is but everything has to be juuuust right

    I don't have a problem with that

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  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Not make mine a scotch... don't worry about a glass I don't want to make work for the maid.

    Alex
     

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