"The Wise and God". A dialogue. A reflection...

Discussion in 'Religion' started by teroko, Apr 6, 2020.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately darwinist gets to be the guests at the home of Piltdown man. And if they’re really lucky they get to go on a trip to see pakicetus turn into a whale. But they have to get tickets from Ernst Haeckel. Be careful though, I heard he’s a bit dodgy, they just may be forgeries.
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    It seems Charles Dawson was behind the fraud a religious name maybe I don't know.

    They were onto him from the start but could not prove he was a fraud and as he was am exlawyer folk had to wait until there could be no arguement to contradict that it was a hoax.

    He seems to have committed a few hoaxes.

    I can't find out if he was religious or not..maybe not given the fraud was to establish a missing link.

    Creationists present the hoax as their only weapon against the fossil record unsuccessfully but they have nothing else so they still bang on about it.

    Alex
     
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  5. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What’s that got to do with anything!
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Checking to see if you know what you are talking about.
    Alex
     
  8. teroko Registered Member

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    About Religions what I have to say is that my ideas don't cover the topic of saving the "souls" (or "minds") what seem to be a main topic in them. I leave the subject for them. Particularly I don't care what God would do with my soul. He can do whatever he would want that I won't care.
    What I'm worried is about the instauration of what Religions would call "the promised new world". I think on what would be missing for it to come into place once for all.
    With this in mind what I have to say to Religions is that:
    "God could have troubles and maybe we could help someway.
    If religions would have that into account they would stay in peace each one looking in an own way for the problems God could have and how a help could be given because they would be the real cause that prevent him set up the new promised world.
    A matter of real faith...”
     
  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What is the “soul”?
    Why do you think you have one?
    Let’s discuss God, and see if it could be possible He could have troubles, and what those troubles could look like.
     
  10. teroko Registered Member

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    For me "soul" is synonym of "mind".
    Post your point.
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why do regard soul as anything like the mind?

    My point is that it is one thing to not believe in God, but it is another thing to say you believe in God, but think of God as deficient.
     
  12. teroko Registered Member

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    Why not? That's what I saw stated sometimes and I think is a right relation. They as the same thing.
    God couldn't be so omniscient, omnipotent and perfect if being in troubles isn't it? Right, it wouldn't match the dictionary's definition, isn't it? Well I believe in God as a superior intelligence, omniscient and omnipotent enough to create the Universe but I believe it could be no so perfect as something must have gone wrong in the creation, escaping to his previsions, and for the worst it affected himself someway to not being able to fix the things yet…
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I’ve seen that correlation also.
    Why do you think it is?
    I agree.
    Okay, I get you.
    So why do you think God’s creation has gone wrong?
     
  14. teroko Registered Member

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    I don't know why. I just find it right.
    Because too much bad things happens in the world and life. Too much diseases, calamities, catastrophes, tragedies. They would not be allowed by a good God in his creation. The unique explanation I find is that something went wrong...
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No they are not
    Mind is an emergent property of the survival instinct in a highly developed brain.
    The main function of the brain interoception, control of the body's functions. Interoception is what keeps your body alive, the single most important survival function.
    Self-awareness is a fortunate by-product of emergent sophisticated associative abilities. Think evolution, not irreducible complexity.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, no. That's an act of love.....

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  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If you think a
    Why wouldn’t they be?
     
  18. teroko Registered Member

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    Well, my good God, the God I believe, would not want such bad things to be lived by his beings, those he has created. He would have planned an ideal kind of life for them. Should I explain this kind of things? Aren't they obvious?
     
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  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I think you’re right when you say God doesn’t want bad things to happen to His creation.
    But I think you’re mistaken when you say God hasn’t put anything in place to prevent bad things happening.
    The Ten Commandments, is an obvious protection against bad things happening. But there are instructions for every community, if they care to adopt the principles of adoption. We choose how we want to live. Our choices are responsible for our present condition.
     
  20. teroko Registered Member

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    Do you really think the Ten Commandments would prevent all diseases, calamities, catastrophes and tragedies that happen in the world? Sorry, impossible to agree… By the way, I think our discussion goes nowhere...
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If you want to stop discussing with me that’s okay. But to say it’s going nowhere, I think is an exaggeration.

    How do diseases come about in the first place?
    Did the Coronavirus or Covid19 have a cause?
    And could that cause have been prevented, or averted with strong immune systems?
    What are the causes of weak immune systems?

    Wiki- Your immune system can be weakened by certain medicines, for example. ... Your immune system can also be weakened by smoking, alcohol, and poor nutrition. AIDS. HIV, which causes AIDS, is an acquired viral infection that destroys important white blood cells and weakens the immune system.
     
  22. teroko Registered Member

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    Any case, in an ideal kind of life planned by a good God that thing never happened. Got it?
     
  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Believe what you like.
    And bear in mind that could well be a source of all “the bad things” you describe.
     

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