There always was something.

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by ghost7584, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. ghost7584 Registered Senior Member

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    Nothing cannot create anything. Since there is something in existence, it is reasonable to conclude that nothing never existed.
    There never was nothing. It never existed.
    Nothing cannot exist. To say that nothing exists is a contradictory in terms and descriptions. --if it exists it must be something. Nothing therefore cannot exist. Nothing never existed. There always was something.
     
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  3. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    wiki big bounce(I think that's it)
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Even nothing is something, isn't it?
     
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  7. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Law of the conservation of energy is clear enough without any philosophy.
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    That seems reasonable.
     
  9. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    But where did that someting come from? And that? And that?
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    From previous forms of the same something.
     
  11. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Limitation of human imagination. Stuff simply always was.
     
  12. ghost7584 Registered Senior Member

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    The creator of stuff simply always was.

    Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

    A designer was needed to design the stuff into extremely complex forms, like DNA molecules, for example. Random chance is not design. The designer always was.---God is His name.

    Now you don't need to ask anymore where God came from; since I logically proved that nothing never existed.

    If you try to say that the universe always existed and was in a state of random chance, then you cannot explain where extremely complex design came from. Only a designer does extremely complex design.

    In order for a single cell to live, all of the parts of the cell must be assembled before life starts. This involves 60,000 proteins that are assembled in roughly 100 different combinations. The probability that these complex groupings of proteins could have happened just by chance is extremely small. It is about 1 chance in 10 to the 4,478,296 power. The probability of a living cell being assembled just by chance is so small, that you may as well consider it to be impossible. This means that the probability that the living cell is created by an intelligent creator, that designed it, is extremely large. The probability that God created the living cell is 10 to the 4,478,296 power to 1.
    Example: 10 to the 6th power is one million, 10 to the 7th power is 10 million, 10 to the 8th power is 100 million, 10 to the 9th power is a billion; each time the power goes up by one, the number goes up by ten times as much. 10 to the 4,478,296 power, is a tremendously large number.
    [The probability of this was calculated by Fred Hoyle, famous astronomer and mathematician.]

    "Biochemical systems are exceedingly complex, so much so that the chance
    of their being formed through random shufflings of simple organic
    molecules is exceedingly minute, to a point indeed where it is
    insensibly different from zero"
    - Hoyle and Wickramasinghe, p.3

    "The trouble is that there are about two thousand enzymes, and the
    chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is one one part in
    (10^20)^2000 = 10^40000, an outrageously small probability that could
    not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup. If
    one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific
    training into the conviction that life originated on the Earth [by
    chance or natural processes], this simple calculation wipes the idea
    entirely out of court"
    Ibid., p.24
     
  13. ghost7584 Registered Senior Member

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    Nothing is the absence of something. Nothing cannot be something.
     
  14. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    If you look at space, the part between celestial objects, you would say that there's nothing there because nothing can be seen nor detected but when you look under a microscope you find atomic particles flying all over.
     
  15. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    and what seperates these atomic particles? or is there no empty space in between mass/energy?.

    peace.
     
  16. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    What is important in life is invisible to the eye.
     
  17. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    ybut what lies between particles and energy?, because if 1 cubic meter of space is occupied with 10.000 particles, what is the rest of the cubic meter consisting of?

    peace.
     
  18. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    first everything is spiritual, so spiritual that it is almost like nothing, then the energy slows down and becomes more and more physical.

    Our unlimited imagination created everything.

    more smaller particles and energy.

    space-particles.
     
  19. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That's probably the case.
     
  20. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have evidence that a 'creator' exists?

    And that is evidence that writing exists.

    Why?

    Do you have evidence that objective 'random' exists?


    What does 'God' have to do with 'nothing' not ever existing?

    What if the universe does not exist in any kind of 'random' state whatsoever?

    Design?

    Maybe processes in reality aren't taken into consideration and 'chance' calculation does not apply?

    It doesn't mean that at all.

    I bet he can't prove 'random' exists either.

    This one is interesting. He seems to claim he knows what the probability of a natural process is which he has not defined.
     
  21. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Energy. All that is space, this universe is energy in one manifestation or another. Measure an "empty" space and you still get energy reading.

    Thinking that there needs to be a creator for something to be is also a limit of human imagination.
     
  22. RoyLennigan Registered Senior Member

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    exactly

    statistics mean nothing if you don't know enough about the circumstances. Think of the probability of anything happening during your normal day. Without knowing the exact position and potential of everything around you, many events seem improbable or even impossible. But if you knew the events that led to what only you see, then the probabilities become more concrete.

    The odds of getting struck by lightning are 2,320,000 to 1. But it still happens.

    semantics?

    As Avatar says, what we perceive as empty space is actually energy. Everything in this universe is either energy or some characteristic of energy (interactions).
     

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