Thoughts and prayers

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Vociferous, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They blocked no gun control, and they did not keep quiet, and they rightfully blamed the Reps for blocking them.
    The Reps blocked everything they could, and did nothing themselves - whether or not they had control of Congress.

    You didn't see the Reps trying to introduce gun control legislation and being blocked by the Dems.
    Yep.
    That was the Rep's fault as well - it took so much time and effort to overcome their blockage of health care that other matters were excluded for four months there, until the Reps retook control and blocked everything again.
    Priorities - the Dems had only a couple of months, and they had to battle the entire do-nothing and block-everything Republican Party the whole time.

    But thoughts and prayers - the Reps were as big on thoughts and prayers then as they were before and have been since.
     
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  3. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

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    Sympathy for the survivors is the only thing that makes their campaigning any more effective than any other. It's why people are dumping money into their campaign.
    To the exclusion of other things they claim are super important. Convenient.
    And? Republicans generally believe in gun rights. Why would they push Democrat gun control if the Dems won't even do it when they have the chance?
    So they couldn't have pushed anything more bipartisan? All or nothing, huh?
     
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  5. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    That's my point. They're not just praying and thinking. Neither was the Florida government, apparently.
     
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Watch 24 hours of NRA TV and see if you still believe that.
     
  8. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

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    The government that dropped the ball on enforcing existing law?
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. So they didn't. They blocked the Dems, and did nothing of their own.
    Yep. The scope of Republican negligence and blocking and doing of nothing is very wide in this matter.
    Irrelevant. The Republicans did nothing - that is the point. And that is letting them off easy - they did less than that: they also blocked the doing of things.

    Meanwhile, they offered thoughts and prayers. To go with the nothing, and highlight it, apparently. A nothing sandwich, with thoughts and prayers.
     
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  10. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, them. As long as nobody held them to a higher standard, they just thought and prayed and did nothing. If everyone else were content with thinking and praying, they would have continued to do nothing. Once they stopped thinking and praying, they could get something done. Whether that's going to turn out well or badly, we don't know yet. But at least they're not just thinking and praying. Maybe if everybody stopped thinking and praying and tweeting to the world about their thoughts and payers, they could do something, too. So, now we know what's wrong with thinking and praying.
     
  11. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Without faith your dead in the water.
     
  12. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I don't have faith in any sky daddy and I'm doing fine, thank you.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Registered Senior Member

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    if you have water, your winning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-...1/global-access-clean-water-sanitation-mapped
     
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  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Sky Daddy uses water to kill people.
     
  15. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Are you on your way to nirvana?
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Can't do everything all at once.
     
  17. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    What does Kurt Cobain have to do with this?
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Tell that to people of the Titanic.

    But I know what you mean. However faith does not prevent you from dying on land either.
    Make no mistake, all people die eventually.

    You are confusing "faith" with "purpose". In your posit you are replacing purpose with faith.
    Think about that.
     
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  19. RainbowSingularity Registered Senior Member

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    US defence force & homeland security budget for 2019 has just been Released.
    Given the real & complex threat that global terrorism has on the USA the new increased budget will now comprise of 50% increased Thoughts & Prayers.
    the previous 50% of the budget that it will replace will be going to the pay rise for the politicians & to pay court cases where the government is sueing the government.
     
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  20. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

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    The Dems actually have some history of blocking majority supported gun control bills:
    Senator Chuck Grassley proposed legislation that would have increased funding for the NICS background check system, and would have pressed states to send more records to the FBI on felons and others barred from buying guns. It also revamped language that prohibits some people with mental health problems from buying guns. Grassley’s bill had majority support, 53-47, but wasn’t passed because the Democrats filibustered it.

    Senator John Cornyn offered legislation to keep firearms out of the hands of suspected terrorists. His bill would let the government block a sale to a known or suspected terrorist, and prosecutors would then have three days to convince a judge that the would-be buyer was likely a terrorist. This seems like a sensible compromise, and it too had majority support, 53-47, but again the Democrats filibustered and blocked the bill from taking effect.

    The Democrats likewise offered two proposals, both of which enjoyed less support. Dianne Feinstein proposed legislation that would bar gun sales to people on any federal terrorism watch list–a list that has included Ted Kennedy, Nelson Mandela, and many random, innocent citizens–without providing any way for people to get themselves taken off the list. I think it is safe to say that this proposal was sheer political grandstanding. It went down to a 47-53 defeat. It is shameful that so many Democrats voted for it.

    Chris Murphy’s bill would have required the current, inadequate list of people who can’t buy guns to be applied to even more sales, including sales between friends or relatives. That, too, was defeated 47-53.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/democrats-block-sensible-gun-proposals-in-senate.php
    Dems would rather grandstand than pass any bipartisan measures.
    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) signaled on Tuesday that his caucus may block the modest bipartisan proposal to improve — but not expand — background checks for gun purchases unless Republicans commit to voting on broader gun control measures.
    ...
    Rather than just passing one narrow bill and moving on, we Democrats intend to push our Republican colleagues to have a real debate on gun safety,” Schumer added.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/27/congress-guns-background-checks-bill-429509
    More grandstanding, likely to keep it an issue for the midterm rather than get even modest gun control. Endless debate instead of any action at all.
    Why didn’t Democrats curb gun laws when they controlled Washington from 2009 to 2010?
    “Yes,” Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) said Wednesday when asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper if his party made a mistake in not acting. “When the Senate had 60 votes, as we did until Ted Kennedy died, that’s how we got the Affordable Care Act passed. And, yes, gun legislation under those circumstances should have been considered because there’d been a lot of massacres up to that point.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-controlled-congress/?utm_term=.fabdde11babe
    Gun control is not a Republican party platform. They have made no promises, where Dems are constantly making noise about it.
    Avoiding the question, or just misread it?
    True.
    When the Democratic Party was successful enough to have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, it’s because they had senators from Alaska, West Virginia, South Dakota and Arkansas — some of the most gun-friendly states in the nation. At the same time, Kessler says, the National Rifle Association had doubled down its pressure on Republicans not to support gun-control legislation. That meant Democrats had to act themselves, and they didn’t have the votes.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-controlled-congress/?utm_term=.fabdde11babe
    But that still doesn't excuse the complete inaction in favor of grandstanding, cited above (filibustering two Republican bills on gun control, knowing their own will not pass in a bipartisan manner).
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. They did nothing, promised nothing, blocked the Dem attempts to do anything, and then publicly offered their thoughts and prayers to the families of the maimed and dead.
    They had no such control for that long.
    And they had priorities during their brief window - the Republican malingering and malfeasance had piled up a huge backlog, especially in health care.

    No critique of the Dems changes the basic fact that the Reps did nothing, and prevented others from doing anything, except offer thoughts and prayers.
     
  22. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's easy to cite these examples from a distance, but bills are often poisoned by partisan inclusions that would be abhorrent, even if the main premise of the bill is sound.
     
  23. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Covered it. Done with it.
     

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