Three perspectives on why man is God’s master.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Greatest I am, Apr 25, 2017.

  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    It's interesting psychology wise to me. Many people express superficially, just as you do, how they have a problem with god, religion and the moral implications of that etc.

    when the truth is what they really have a problem with is nature and the laws (or lack thereof) of the universe. i find it an interesting psychological study of the similarities of atheists and theists whereas atheists scapegoat religion and point fingers at unethical or other inconsistencies/contradictions in religion.

    but when the veil is lifted and the pretense or the big pink elephant is no longer ignored but faced and acknowledged, the tune changes and backpedaling. oh, don't blame my universe, it's perrrfect. you don't want to face the very dark side of it.

    if you have no complaint about evolution or the way nature operates which has ZERO to do with god, then your threads after threads seemingly upset with the unethical issues of religion is HYPOCRITICAL TO THE EXTREME. you just admitted essentially have no issues with ethics or the evolutionary system point blank. that means for most atheists or agnostics, issues of ethics are merely semantics or superficial. they also reveal they are more amoral or unethical than is realized on first blush. they may conform to society's rules but it's rather for convenience and self-preservation, no real philosophers or deep questioning of nature itself beyond the physical. what's interesting is, that reveals that religion is where people started to question the ethics of the universe and the start of improving human relations and responsibility beyond itself through awareness of empathy.

    all the ills and evil in the world has ZERO to do with god or religion. religion is merely a mask and human invention, it is not the real reason but an excuse, there is a difference, you are mistaking a symptom to a real cause. people would do these things WITHOUT religion. NEWS FLASH: the animal kingdom is still torturing and killing eachother every second as we speak, even though they have no concept of religion. it's the damn universal laws, period! unfortunately, it's a damn ugly business and we (especially atheists and scientists) don't like admitting the uglies of their beloved universe or they dress it in a better light (whitewash) or make excuses for it or that it's a good thing etc just like you or bury their nose further and deeper in the minutiae so the uglies are not their domain of concern (see the beautiful botfly eyes and it's fascinating mathematically correct intricacy? while it is burrowing into the flesh of an animal, causing it untold harm/pain/miserable itching creating infection, pus and lesions/eventual scarring.

    YEAH NATURE IS BEAUTIFUL. JUST LIKE RAPISTS AND MURDERERS. BTW, WHY ARE THEY STILL LOCKING THEM UP? LMFAO. YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT NATURAL, RIGHT? NATURE CREATED THEM TO DO THEIR THING. MOST PEOPLE DESCENDED FROM THE BEST RAPISTS AND MURDERERS NATURE COULD PRODUCE. THIS IS WHY SOCIETY HAS MORE CORRUPT/HIGH OR UNETHICAL/MEDIOCRE OR SCUMMY /LOW POPULATION AS A MAJORITY THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY MAN-MADE LAWS VS INNOCENCE. LET NATURE TAKE IT'S COURSE AND LET THEM OUT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THIS UNIVERSE YOU EXTOL SO MUCH AS PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL. PUT ONE'S MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. just as RELIGIONISTS do the same but they use religious terminology defending ALMIGHTY GOD AND IT'S CREATION. No real difference, just different clothing.

    This reminds me of democrats and republicans feeding off eachother thinking there is no other optional view or stance.

    i disagree with both views that bullshit about ethics of this and that. i think the universe is a shit system and it is horrendously unethical especially where life is concerned. yes, i think that is sick and just because it is the way it is does not equate to ethically justifiable!
     
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  3. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I did not read it all but thanks for this.

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    DL
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The only people who use the term "sheeple" are those who have been programmed to think they're the smartest ones in the room.

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  7. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I agree... yet here we both are... so what now.???
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    there is nothing to change it.

    but the first mistakes here would be trust, innocence and naivetey. the fostering of those traits here is no different than an enemy leading a lamb to slaughter. what is seemingly positive will result in hideously negative consequences here. this universe has evil and perverted lessons to teach such as how to use deceit and betrayal.
     
  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Someone is and it is not a sheeple.

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  10. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Who said the universe is perfect and/or moral?
     
  11. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Reminds me of a kin folk who got a bunch of money from insurance when her husband died... she gave half away to her children who blew thru it perty quick an still kept beggin for help to pay bills... an she was a bit smarter wit the other half by investin wit a well known investment firm... an after 10 years durin the 90's she incredibly wound up wit less than she started wit cause the firms very frindly advisor had her in 100 percent equity funds wit high fees an kept buyin an sellin which never let her get ahead.!!!

    After i told her about it she said i cant beleive he woud do me that way cause i told him to begin wit that i was a Christan lady... an when she then complained to him about the buys an sells he seemed shocked... an told her that she had agreed to and signed off on ever thang that he did... lol.!!!

    I emagine that the instent she told him she was a sucker... i mean Christan lady... he was plannin a vacation on the money he figered he'd steal from her.!!!

    She woudnt touch that money she had invested "so it woud grow"... an in the meantime had run up about 25 thousand in credit card debt... an she had refinanced her trailer 2 or 3 times an wound up owin about 100 thousand dollars on a 20 thousand dollar trailer... an she kept workin part-time an strugglin to pay bills until she was 78... but luckly she had 40 acres she sold an was able to pay off all debts an brake even... so i guess alls well that ends well.!!!

    A lesson i teech is dont promote it an dont get caut up in stoopidstition.!!!
     
  12. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    An almost classic example of narcissistic personality disorder... Thank you for the demonstration GIA.
     
  13. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely... hell... i dont know of anybodys religious beleifs that are beter than mine an i dont know of anybody whos more sane than me.!!!
     
  14. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Candide.
    "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

    We all live in the best of all possible worlds, as it is the only possible world.

    If you do not agree then show how things could be better than what they are, given the past history.

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  15. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    As for perfect... I'm not even sure what that means in terms of a universe. But I do remember a line my physics teacher said, "You can't get something for nothing. In fact, you can't even break even."

    As for moral... I would say the mama cat that brings home a wounded mouse for her kittens to play with is being a good parent. I suspect the mouse has a different opinion.
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    The point was that it is the best possible situation for all involved as things cannot be other than what they are.

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  17. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Must be a definition of perfection (and/or moral) that I am unfamiliar with.
     
  18. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Basically, yes.

    Most do not use the --- more perfect --- phrase that the U.S. uses. Because of that I use the term, --- evolving perfection.

    It allows perfection to evolve while most think of perfection as a finished and un-improvable situation.

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    DL
     
  19. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    I prefer the worldwide recognized definition:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perfection


    Definition of perfection
    1: the quality or state of being perfect: such as
    1 a : freedom from fault or defect : flawlessness
    1 b : maturity
    1 c : the quality or state of being saintly
    2 a : an exemplification of supreme excellence
    2 b : an unsurpassable degree of accuracy or excellence
    3: the act or process of perfecting
     
  20. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Much subjectivism is required to define perfection.

    This last phrase you give is how I use it define perfection.

    That, phrasing, to a Gnostic Christian and perpetual seeker, is the process we
    adhere to.

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    DL
     
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