Time Exists , but has No Efficacy

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  1. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    It might seem like an illusion river, but it’s necessary for our existence. From our perspective, it tends to be useful after an event has occurred because we can’t see time flow. Kind of like watching paint dry. lol
     
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  3. river

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    Time is Useless to the Universe .
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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  7. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Can time be used?

    If it can then time is a resource, it can be a store of information. But time never really exists, it's gone as soon as it arrives, type of thing.

    So, no.
     
  8. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Well almost. The best you can do there is measure a distance and say it's so many units of time, however you choose them. That's how clocks work.
    If you have a digital clock, the distances are between numbers, a clock with rotating hands has numbers too, though.

    Which suggests an interval of time is a thing we find a map to real numbers for (by e.g. building clocks).
    Moreover, applying such a map means that time disappears ( or never appears). Measuring an interval of time uses numbers and regular periodic motion; it does not "use time".
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And depending on the observer and his environment, that measurement of time will be different. Time is real for many reasons, as detailed by Sean Carroll, the valid question to ask is if time is fundamental. I see it as fundamental as space, as both evolved at the BB. Without space, we have no time: without time, we have no space.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The crux of the matter is that we have no way of defining space and time, other then your own personal space and time. Absolute space and absolute time do not exist.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    A clock at the top of the Eiffel Tower will always run a few microseconds slower every year than one at the bottom...even when previously synchronised.
     
  12. river

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    Disagree

    Absolute Space , the essential room needed for any three dimensional object to manifest , to exist . The Physical to exist .

    Absolute time does exist . Because the Physical is Object is Absoulute .
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Disagree all you like...I prefer science to word salad.
     
  14. river

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    Na, you prefer word salad to Science !! pad .
     
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  15. river

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    river said:

    Disagree

    Absolute Space , the essential room needed for any three dimensional object to manifest , to exist . The Physical to exist .

    Absolute time does exist . Because the Physical is Object is Absoulute .
     
  16. river

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    The Physical , the movement by the Physical is the essence of time .

    Music is made by , vibrations ...
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Time must exist...without time, we have no space, and according to the current overwhelming held view, space and time [henceforth known as spacetime] evolved at t+10-43 seconds.
    They are both literally different sides of the same coin and are interchangeable.
     
  18. river

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    I don't . Life can not emerge from nothing any more than the periodic table . Why ? Because to emerge means that something was always there .

    Define nothing , describe how you understand nothing , define nothing in your thinking . Well start here .
     
  19. river

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    Yes

    That Humanity is much , much older than the bible suggests . Go into ancient history , then you will understand what I'm proving .
     
  20. river

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    No.
     
  21. river

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    And because it does it means..............................What , Exactly ?
     
  22. river

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    And So ..............continue ...
     
  23. river

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    Your conclusion , in Words . Based on your last 3 posts , # 54, # 55 , #56 .
     

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