I think what we should be fascinated by is the media's fixation on the phrase "pillow angel", which seems to be echoed here too. The psychology is extraordinary.
I am a home health care nurse. The pt. is a teenager 85-95 lbs. 90% of all nurses are women. It takes alot of effort for anyone to lift and position the pt. It will only get harder as the pt continues to grow. I do not know what I would do in those parents situation but emphatically believe that that girls qualiy of life will be far better if her parents and other caregivers are able to care for her more effectively.The pts mom is placed in the situation where she has to evaluate risk for each time that she wants to take her child with her out of the house and she requires a special vehicle for transportation. She requires assistance to place the pt in a wheelchair. I am ordinarily against procedures on others without their consent but this sounds like it is not about convenience. it is about doing what is necessary to give her a little better life
reminds me of that Shialy (or something like that) case were the woman was killed by starvation since she was a vegetable for 40 years... so revolting. sometimes its better to let go.
We treat our beloved pets with much, much greater compassion and mercy than we do old, sick and dying humans. Yet we call ourselves "humanitarians" when we keep the old, the sick and the dying alive with machines and medicines ....and leave them to lie in beds 24 hrs a day, day in, day out, for years and years. Baron Max
No, we should keep the fuckers in nursing homes and rehab hospitals, hooked up to machines, changing their diapers and feeding them with tubes, and injecting them with vitamins, .....and keep the old bastards alive even if they have no idea about what's going on or why. Yep, that's the humane thing to do with humans. But if we did that with a pet, the outcry from the public would be enormous ...calling us inhumane and mean and nasty. Interesting, huh? Baron Max
The doctors in charge of this little girl were the ones to propose and support this treatment. Why do ignorant laymen presume to know better than the girl's doctors, and her carers? Do you claim to be more knowledgable about this specific issue, than the doctors, nurses and carers who have actually attended to the girl in question? It's laughable when posters here offer up anecdotal evidence about how their friend's friend is doing quite OK at caring for an adult vegetable, and then act as though their anecdote is identical to this case in question. No, it's not, numbnuts. Nobody wants to hear your ignorant, layman opinion, so shut the hell up. You don't know jack shit, so keep your petty outrage to yourself.
1) Are you that which you refer to? if not, do you realize you will become one? 2) You havent answered the question. Should we kill our old and sick or let them suffer for long years?
Well now, you know that we uns who didn't go to no fancy college back east ain't qualified to think for ourselves.
I'm praying that when the time comes, I'll recognize it soon enough to blow my brains out myself. I have a living will, but my guess is that no one will abide by it and pull the plug! And that sucks giant donkey dick!! No one can answer that except on a one-to-one basis. You can't just say "Go shoot people over 65!" or something lke that. Some people, at 75, are still active and happy and enjoying life. I'm talking about the basic vegatables ....yes, we should shoot them and bury them. To do less (more in the eyes of some fools!), would be inhumane and no one, not even the most fervent, would allow a dog to suffer like that. Baron Max
Yep, and that's why we need people like Mountainhare to tell us what to do and how to think and what to eat and how to shit. Why, if it weren't for people like Mountainhare, I just don't know what I do. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Baron Max
Ain't it disgusting? People who cain't hook no plow to no mule and plow the back forty to save they lives just think they've got it all over us folks.
The doctors did not propose any such thing! Actually, the parents requested it and the Doctors, after hearing the parents' arguments, approved it. Do you know why they approved it? It has nothing to do with medical expertise or other issues beyond the simple layman to be able to comprehend. And, if you noticed, the outrage and indignation comes from quite a few other medical professionals around the world, some intitmately involved with the case, not just "ignorant fools". But I guess you didn't pick up on that, either, did you? I suggest you heed your own advice, jackass. You obviosly didn't read the article and other linked sources, in order to educate yourself on what you are ignorant about. Did you even skim the information? My advice to you is to take a look in the mirror, you damned hypocrite.
The point is whether you approve or not. The deed is done. The parents acted in their own and what they perceive as their daughter's best interest. I can see why they did it and I am also repulsed by it. In all the criticism they may have received, the majority also understand why they felt they had to resort to such drastic measures. The real tragedy is not just this little girl, but that there is no support for parents with severely retarded and disabled children. The result is that they are then forced to take drastic measures. So instead of blaming them, maybe attention should be turned to why they felt they had to resort to it in the first place.. eg.. why there is so little support for parents in their predicament. These parents know their little girl and they know what they have to put with on a day to day basis. It is easy for us to say they were wrong and condemn them. But at the end of the day, we do not have any idea what they are going through and what their day to day life is like. If this helps them care for their daughter that little bit better, then so be it. Lets not forget, 40 other specialists, ethicists and doctors also agreed that the treatment would serve as a benefit for not only this girl, but her parents as well. They had to go through an ethics panel where their case would have been reviewed in the utmost detail. It doesn't make what they did right and it also does not make it wrong. At the end of the day, we can go to bed and hope like hell our kids aren't born with the same condition and hope even more that we never have to find ourselves in the same situation as them.
Is it any of our fuckin' business? I mean, really, seriously? And if this is our business, what else can we assume is our business? Is everything that happens in the world our business? Are we to continually stick our fuckin' noses into everything and everyone else's life? Is that what this fuckin' world has come to? Maybe, just maybe, that attitude about nosing into the business of others is what's gotten this world into such turmoil and strife and conflict. If "Abdulla" in Iran farts, then I get pissed off and go out and shoot my neighbor 'cause he farts sometimes, too. Does that make any fuckin' sense at all to anyone? Baron Max
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Yeah, and so? What difference does it make to you or me or to anyone who isn't directly involved? I don't get it? If I go to a doctor to have some procedure done, what business is it of anyone else's? Really, I just don't get it. Do y'all want others, all over the world, to be so involved in your own lives? To make or help make major decisions for you and your family? When do we step back and say, "Geez, is that any business of mine?" Baron Max
Alright. The parents decided that the best course of action was to eat their child. any of our business?
