Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Enmos, Jul 28, 2008.
Even kids get that trees are alive..
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Enmos, you still have no conception of the point i am making. To you a tree and a wire are the same.
John, the "a" in alive isn't the same with a in "asexual" or "atheist". It is not the
opposite of live. Alive is an adjective or a feature of a living thing. What referred
as living thing is the one who can grow, can reproduce, have respiration activity,
etc. A wire can’t grow, can’t reproduce, don’t have respiration organ, don't have
metabolism activity, etc. But trees do.
Please forgive a brief interruption. How about Julie Andrews and " The HIlls are Alive with the Sound of Music". Is this a good not to end on ?
With wires it is a metaphor. With plants it is not.
Beside, no one says a wire is alive.
They say it is a live wire.
Which is, John, a metaphor.
It is not used metaphorically with plants. You clearly are not sophisticated when it comes to language.
If I say the issue is 'dead' this does not mean it was like a human alive before.
You are aware of the difference between metaphorical and literal meanings, yes?
Thank you. The "a" i was referring to is that when we think of creatures as alive we think of animated behaviors, reactions, movement.
A tree is staionary and does not move, this is why i used that analogy. Not the best but if you think about it in those terms than a tree and a human are as close to opposite we can get without there being trees that move from one position to another.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
All i am saying is that while it is acceptable to call trees alive it is not entirely accurate. That is all.
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they move towards the sun.
many plants move.
Is the Sun alive?
beside the point,but in an abstract way yes.
in actuality,no.it doesnt reproduce.
Well, the definition of life does not include "movement" or animated behaviors. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
If we say movement is characteristic of life, then cars are also living things, and so do character in cartoon movies Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
OK. In an abstract way a tree is alive too.
Rrrr... perhaps we are all misunderstood what this guy (John) meant.
John, were you trying to say that a tree is a living thing but not alive?
In that case, you are right. Unless you deny that it is a living thing.
We can say a street is alive with carnival, it does not mean that a carnival
or a street is a living thing, but yes it is alive.
A tree is a living thing, therefor it is alive.
Not necessarily, Enmos.
How do those definitions say otherwise ?
In a biological context, yes it is. In a context such as mention by number 4,
not it is not. It's a matter of context, Enmos.
The music is so alive. It does not mean that music is a living thing.
The tree is so alive. That would be rather weird. But it is a living thing/organism.
What section are we in again ?
And only an idiot would use any other definition than the first one where trees are concerned.
He's just trying to worm his way out of this..
Edit: As for the context, shall I provide the original one ?
Kenworth, if i take a glass of water and spill it onto a piece of metal and in turn we have samller water droplet then we also have reproduction. Like it or not those drops are a reproduction of the original fluid. The evaporate at different intervals, some are smaller and some are larger so we cannot say that they are identical.
IF the sun squeezed out a smaller reproduction would that make any real difference?
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