Trump Watch: The Conservative Condition

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    He will never give up because he "is entitled" to what he desires. Moreover, if he can regain the presidency somehow, he becomes immune from prosecution.

    The incredible thing is that he still has a large, loyal, crowd of tv fans and it is not inconceivable that he could again win the presidency.
    The US Constitution is by no means a perfect document and is held together only by the promise of "equality under law" and "good will to all men".

    Trump knows how to turn both these lofty ideals into profit for himself.
     
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  3. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone following the fun and games of Trump's civil trial in New York? It's turning in to somewhat of a car-crash for him. Judge Endoron has already ruled pre-trial that Trump is guilty of fraud, so the rest is just a consideration of which of the other six or so charges he is guilty of, and ultimately what the penalties will be. New York is seeking 250m dollar fine, but some think it will be much larger (his ex-partner-in-crime-turned-informant Cohen suggests it could be closer to 600m), and the judge has already revoked Trump's business licences in the state - although deferred until after the trial (and, presumably, any subsequent appeal that could take a decade to resolve?).
    Anyhoo, this coming week should be fun, as being called to the witness box are Don Jr (Monday), Eric (Tuesday), Ivanka (Wednesday), and then Donald himself on Friday. So get the popcorn ready!!

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  5. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for the update.
    As a Brit this is a quite bizarre situation as I was under the impression he was still in the running regarding the US presidency.
    Is he still ok to run for president if he is already guilty of fraud?
    Why don't the Republican party kick him out?
    (I've not googled recently, caught up with things)
     
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  7. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I'm a Brit, and I find this more fascinating than the likes of BoJo's party-gate nonsense. Apparently there's still a question-mark over whether he can actually run for President. Noone has yet disqualified him, but there's something in the Constitution (14th amendment?) that details who is disqualified:
    "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

    To many it seems quite clear cut that the President is an office under the United States, and thus if Trump is found guilty of insurrection (and some think he doesn't even need to be found guilty, but merely have engaged in insurrection) that this amendment disqualifies him. Some, though, make the distinction that one who holds office is not elected but appointed, and thus the President is not technically an officer under the United States, as it is an elected position. And these debates aren't even down party lines but academic, meaning some Democrats don't think this clause applies, some do etc.
    Anyhoo - there's an ongoing debate about such matters, even as to the process of how one becomes disqualified under this amendment, or whether it is self-imposing(? - i.e. no actual subsequent process needs be followed). All very interesting.

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    The simplest solution to it all would be for the Republicans to not proceed with him as their candidate. But if he is their best hope at the next election, why wouldn't they? Do they have anyone better?

    It also seems to be deliberate that Letitia James has scheduled Trump to testify on 3rd November given that it's the last court date before the 5th, with the next US election being on 5th November 2024. Or maybe that's just coincidence!

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    And as for Ivanka having to testify, it seems Trump thinks that just because Ivanka was cleared of having to be a defendant that she is therefore somehow exempt from having to give testimony. He has also violated a gag order from judge Engoron twice already, and on Saturday posted this rant on his "Truth" Social platform, so it will be interesting to see whether this is deemed to be yet another violation. If so, how many strikes will it need to be before Trump is seen an orange prison uniform?

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  8. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    It's bonkers, he incited a coup d'etat for crying out loud.
    Mat Hancock was the devil incarnate for? Kissing a mistress, during lockdown!
    He resigned in disgrace.
    Sure he broke the rules he was pushing but did anyone really care about that?
    I just wanted the UK to have faith in a vaccine program and buy a stack of the stuff then get it out there.
    Trump got Covid then played it down then did a real lot of crazy AND illegal stuff including fraud and inciting a riot leading to the deaths of citizens!
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Welcome to the GOP!
     
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  10. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    GOP? Apologies, I'm British.
     
  11. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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  13. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I am "here". As said above, I'm (also) a Brit.
     
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  14. Bells Staff Member

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    It was more a statement to suggest welcome to the batshit crazy politics of the Republican Party in the US. I am in Australia, and while we have our loons, they are thankfully not nearly as numerous as the GOP in the US.
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Although... on the increase, it seems to me.
     
  16. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, yes you did. Ok got it thanks.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Yes and no.

    There are more ridiculous characters who are spouting even more crazy stuff, particularly of late with the failed referendum, but the likes of Dutton continues to be unpopular. How much clout do these caricatures have at present? They pander to their base, certainly, but they are somewhat hindered by a lack of numbers in Parliament.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    True. The Liberal/National coalition is not looking like being re-electable any time in the near future.
     
  19. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't disagree; I'm just referring to the marketplace for argument by video. The kind of people who will tell me to watch an hour of JoPe without being able to explain what it has to do with the subject at hand won't sit through eleven minutes of Joy Reid.

    Moreover, it's also true that video, in and of itself, generally doesn't leave the same sort of enduring record, here; if the link breaks, a post like #330↑ is emptied of its content. Moreover, it doesn't translate to other forms. Imagine an archaeological record in which ninety-five of the one hundred authors included are unknown values because the archive shows they were arguing by video, and the video archives didn't survive; or, just imagine printed physical records that outlasted the software. Just imagine the academic arguments about how the five representatives of a lost age are distorted by overrepresentation compared to the fact of ninety-five other authors whose arguments were in the form of video data that not only requires other codices to translate, but isn't available at all. And, sure, we're not that, but still, what is the record any of us leaves? For instance, an example that also answers another question:

    See #3677612↗ for an example of me quoting a television segment featuring Joy Reid and Jelani Cobb. To some degree, I'm uncertain how to answer you, because while quoting television isn't quite as common as other sources, there is something about the question that I'm missing. "Are we allowed to quote verbatim?" How is that even a question? Honestly, the big problem with quoting from TV segments is that transcription is a pain in the ass.

    Nonetheless, the problem is not the presentation, in and of itself, of video. Rather, there is a question of how we present that information. "This may be an indication of Trump's plans for the US," is an interesting prospect, but it's also very, very vague.
     
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  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Santorum on Sexy

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    Once upon a whatever: Rick Santorum used to be relevant.

    "You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote. It was a secret sauce for disaster in Ohio. I don't know what they were thinking, but that's why, thank goodness, most of the states in this country don't allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracy is not the way to run a country."

     
  21. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    More and more Republicans in office are showing their true colors. It's like they have given up on even the pretext that they are there to represent the will of the people, and just flat admitting that they think they are there to rule the people. What gets me is that there are so many in the US who seem perfectly willing to go along with that.
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It puzzles me, too. America is supposed to be a nation of rugged, determined individualists. And yet, a certain subset of people seem to be clamouring to follow the sorts of tribal "strong men" who don't ultimately give a damn about anybody but themselves (and the cronies who will ensure that they can grab or stay in power, although even they are considered means to a goal).

    Why is Donald Trump far and away the most likely Republican nominee for next year's election? This is a man who is currently facing 91 criminal charges. The man who advocates grabbing women by their pussies. The man who tried to overturn a fair democratic election to stay in power. The businessman who has just be found guilty of falisifying business records with the aim of gaining personal benefit. The man who endangered national security by holding onto classified information and storing it in an insecure location. The man who encouraged an insurgency against the US Congress. And yet, none of this seems to matter to Republican voters, not to mention many Republican representatives and other Republican hopefuls ("contenders", only if we are optimistic) for the Presidency.
     
  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Trump provides them catharsis by offering an outlet for their hatred. It’s all about hate. You can see that in every speech.
     

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