Trumping Toward War: The United States, American Conservatism, and Iran

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  1. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    So a nuclear Iran isn't a concern?

    We will never know for certain. So, should Trump be given the peace prize for yesterday's non-reaction?
     
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  3. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    If that treaty was time sensitive, allowing resumption of nuclear production after several years, would she be in the same position?
     
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  5. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Should Iran have nukes?
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So you can't post sense?
    We know for certain it is fantasy. If it turned out to be accurate, that would be an amazing coincidence.
    No "nonreaction" visible. Panic and bs, posturing and threats, visible, public spectacle visible, actual military assault headed off apparently by Putin and Tucker Carlson at the last minute.

    Peace prize to Putin, if anyone.

    Let's Talk About What Hillary Clinton Would Have Done On Planet Dingwee, Where She's An Evil Monster, Because That Never Gets Old.
     
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    hmmm... I did get the distinct impression that the launched assault was called off because of an intervention by someone....

    Is there actually any evidence to support that?

    To me it makes no sense for the USA military to launch, have ships and air craft in motion and suddenly be worried about the potential deaths of (according to reported comments by Trump) a mere 100 Iranian military personnel.
    Just the expense of launching, in dollars would be massive.
    ( and at the moment the USA Fleet is a sitting duck vulnerable to any non-state aligned anonymous actor)
    There is every reason to believe it was called off because of an intervention and not because Trump decided to turn an operational failure into a publicity stunt.

    To suggest that it was merely an act of intimidation in today's world would be silly as well...

    As far as I know the worlds powers will have total coverage of that region with advanced satellite surveillance tech and the question of whether the drone was in international waters or not can easily be resolved.
    The USA doesn't have a monopoly on intelligence gathering nor does Israel.

    Perhaps Putin threatened to thoroughly embarrass Trump with release of classified satellite detail and Trump couldn't afford to launch a war based on a proven lie?
     
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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    what if the Iranian leadership has lost control of their military ?
     
  10. Bob-a-builder Registered Senior Member

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    I do not believe the white house has any rhyme or reason.

    Something is wrong with American Intelligence. Many are too dumb too vote.

    Example a: 35% of America thinks "a wall" is clever. They must be very stupid to not realize any Mexican can bypass it and border agents with a simple $25 passport. Do they not realize Mexico and South Americans actually have governments that issue passports or do they think they all live in cages?

    I can tell you where the "caravan" went. They all broke off as they neared the border and crossed legally. They just pretended they were visiting Disneyland.

    How would a Democrat sneak into Mexico? They would simply get off their cruise ship in Acapulco and never return. A Republican would run through the desert in his underwear dodging border patrols. There have been smarter folk.

    Example b: Even republicans educated entirely by sitcoms should learn from movies like "Dirty Dancing" that banning abortions only makes backroom clinics kill more American daughters. That was before internet (internet is a thing now (Google it if republican)). Today a girl can google what herbs can cause a dangerous miscarriage in less than 4 minutes if she types slow.

    Example c: They are still not metric

    Example d: They still use pennies

    Example e: They don't believe in spies. James Bond himself could learn of a plot that Goldfinger was about to launch a sophisticated attack. Yet they have a president who "Knows more than the generals" (according to him), so every spy reporting to a general is just endangering himself for fun and the neat toys.
    Take a few more years off James Bond. We'll tell you when to come back.

    Example f: Healthcare... Mexico has better healthcare. Americans die years younger on average than they do in Canada. Years.
    Canada has had entirely free healthcare for over half a century. Think on that for the next 50 years.

    Example g: Their water supply is tainted: Americans murder each other at an incredible rate. If I just cross the border into the USA my odds of getting murdered multiply by six (6). I'm not blaming guns. It is probably just tainted water or marrying cousins.

    Donald Trumo is so dumb he bankrupted a casino... How do you bankrupt a casino?
    Donald Trump then bankrupted a few more casinos. How can you lose with casinos?

    Had Trump left his money in any bank like a retarded blind child might do. His 200Million he inherited and known wealth of 1985 would have grown similar to Nasdaq, dow S&P 500.. It would have grown upwards of 13 million according to Forbes/Google, etc.

    That means he would be worth more than $10 BILLION more than he is today.

    That means (if math correct) he should be worth at least $10 BILLION more.
    So.. If he should be worth $10 billion more based upon known 1985 wealth and we do the math... How much has he lost daily?

    10 billion divided by 34 years divided again by 365 days in a year...

    Wow! That clown has lost the equivalent of over $805 000.00 DAILY (equivalent).

    That makes him the absolute worst businessman in the history of mankind... literally. Unless anyone can name a single businessman in history who has lost the same equivalents.

    So... Did trump start an attack?... Did Trump not start an attack?

    I doubt even he knows for sure.

    Robert Mueller says Russia attacked, Trump says he asked Putin if he attacked and Putin apparently said no. He said he could see no reason why they would (sorry James Bond.. go home for a few years).

    Trump bankrupted an entire football league.

    Tour de Trump failed. Trump airlines failed, Trump steaks failed, trump vodka failed, trump internet failed, casinos.

    OH! This one is funny. Trump started a mortgage company right before real estate bubble collapsed (See IDIOT") and then lost money. He CLAIMED he should not have to repay his $40 Million loan (Can't make this stuff up) unless he made money. True story.

    He even had "Trump the board game" so you could lose as bigly as him at home.

    He is so bad at business he is not even allowed to run his own company. He licensed his name more than built anything lately.

    So... WOW!

    Discussing American politics like it had aim or purpose almost seems like a thought experiment of futility.

    It feels like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You know it is causing deaths and chaos but its hard to look away.

    The dumbest businessman in the history of mankind is steering America solely on his impulses (James Bond went home).
     
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  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you mean brannon ?

    maybe he will play his ace and put devos in the secretary of state position then go on extended leave.
    She will need to choose an appropriately decorative cod piece first

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  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Monitoring Russian news media.
    Surprisingly quiet about the USA discontinued attack on Iran.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    [serious media hat on for a moment]
    they probably want to be first to roll the news if the usa do strike something so they probably are holding their news so they dont look like they are posting grandmas story of putting her underpants on the washing line to dry.
    [boring stupid story]

    i doubt many Russian Citizens would be happy to be paying 10% more for their petrol and plastic goods.

    throwing a smoke bomb into a vipers nest may seem like good TV sport from a safe distance, but it doesn't help most people.
     
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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Just a coincidence of timing. https://abcnews.go.com/International/putin-warns-us-iran-annual-call-show/story?id=63833096 And Carlson of course, on TV somewhere.

    Trump canceled the thing when the planes were in the air. Something changed his mind, and that rapidly.

    (Caveat: Trump may not have known the planes were in the air, or realized how close he came to having launched the assault; we have no way of telling how much Trump actually knows about military matters.)
     
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  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    copy n paste ?

    you should list your link to the location of the stuff you are copy n pasting.
     
  16. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I read that they removed the missiles from their attack boats, so no trigger happy sailor might start a war.
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    ...
     
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  18. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    The guy who rigged the election?

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  19. Bob-a-builder Registered Senior Member

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    No copy and paste. I type fast and babble. I'm sure I forgot many of his failed businesses for example.
    You can google some of the stuff I had said about DOW/NASDAQ/S&P and how a child investor would profit more (My words.. no one else compared his investing to a child that I know of) but my words were my own. I am the only person who has done the math breakdown showing he has likely flushed at least $805 000 DAILY for the past 34 years (equivalent). Nobody else has that I know of.

    The stuff about 35% of America being too stupid to realize a wall is useless if anyone with a $25 passport can bypass it by claiming to be visiting Disneyland is all me. So is the Patrick Swayze "Dirty Dancing" stuff.

    Feel free to quote me if you like (without attribution) from my last post, but I wrote everything you see. No copy n paste.

    I wish Media would state facts so plainly. I think my last post did a better job at explaining the idiocy occurring better than many others, including media.

    I just knew that stuff prior to writing that. Reading, etc. Unsure how I got a box around some of the writing, but not from copying. I do sometimes write in notepad and copy from there but all original text.
     
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  20. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    I've gotten the impression that Trump is using T. Roosevelt maxim in reverse - speak loudly and carry a small stick. That seems to be his Iranian policy.
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    and did it have anything to do with the timing of the massive Oil Refinery explosion in Philadelphia? Apparently around 4am local Phily time. ( allow about 60 minutes for the White house to be informed)
     
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  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    <-------------------- anti war as a default position

    this from 2015
    The Super PAC supporting the presidential campaign of Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., raised $2.9 million through the end of June, a significant portion of which came from defense contractors that stand to gain from Graham’s advocacy for greater military intervention around the world and increased defense spending.

    effing chicken hawks
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    love to see an actual exact time line of events...
    tried googling but got nothing but vagaries.

    especially whether the oil refinery explosion occurred after or before the planes turned back. ( not trumps decision as that is all over the place...)

    and reported escalated Iranian hacking attempts would be handy as well.
    Obviously I am concerned that Iran may be involved but there is a possibility that OIL generally is the target using Iran as a patsy.

    (Climate change activism may have just got nasty)
     

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