Trump's personality

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Xmo1, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    Represent: "entitled to speak or act for" or "amount to". So no, White people are not entitled to talk or act for an entire nation which does not amount to only white people. (and I say this as an older white male.)
    "Do not represent" does not equal "not allowed to take part in".

    And, in my opinion, White males in the US complaining of being marginalized is the equivalent of a spoiled brat, upon being told that they should share their toys, wailing "But that's not fair!.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well unfortunately for you and those of your ilk it's more than just laymen. It's well renowned professionals too. It's those damn facts again Sculptor. You don't need a PHD to recognize narcissistic behaviors. More that 800 mental health professionals share in the diagnosis.

    http://www.lancedodes.com/new-york-times-letter

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ssistic-disorder-psychiatry-column/101243584/

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/donald-trump-narcissism-therapists

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ssistic-disorder-psychiatry-column/101243584/

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...-cite-duty-to-warn-about-unfit-president.html

    http://www.collegiatetimes.com/opin...cle_cabdc36a-f534-11e6-a8b3-d71eacb60186.html
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    the American Psychiatric Association :
    Simply put, breaking the Goldwater Rule is irresponsible, potentially stigmatizing, and definitely unethical.

    the American Psychiatric Association cautioned psychiatrists against taking part in a feverish new national hobby.
    Catching Pokémon wasn't mentioned. Psychoanalyzing Donald Trump was.

    On the organization's website, APA President Maria A. Oquendo wrote: "The unique atmosphere of this year's election cycle may lead some to want to psychoanalyze the candidates, but to do so would not only be unethical, it would be irresponsible."

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    OK so you seem to need to justify your position even if it means relying on the unethical and irresponsible.

    That's OK
    It's your life and your mind.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand, how ethical and responsible is it to pretend this guy is behaving normally and reasonably? He's representing the US, that's us, and we have given him weaponry and real power - we have a duty here.
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    What's "normal and reasonable" for me ain't "normal and reasonable" for you ain't "normal and reasonable" for Trump.
    bottom line
    There ain't nothing you can do about it!
     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Agree to disagree.
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    You ain't gonna do anything about it by spending your time here.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    What, it takes 2 seconds to write a post.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't make me wrong.

    That is the intellectual equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "la la la la - - - - " very loudly.

    Trump's notion of normal and reasonable is aberrant and bad. Yours, in abetting his ascension to the Presidency by spreading bothsides and Republican memes and slanders, is not very reasonable - in the sense that it doesn't make sense, even on its own terms.

    Meanwhile, even if you were correct, and no one you could possibly be addressing could possibly alter what seems normal and reasonable to you or Trump, you miss the point: that's not our interest. We - those you pretend to address - have lost interest in appealing to your corrupted and useless reason, or Trump's mentally ill sense of normality. We are more concerned about how to discourage or deflect you in your endeavors, how to gain power enough to sabotage what you have set in motion, and prevent what you are doing and have done from harming those we care about.

    And that is where Trump's personality weighs in - for example, due to various character "traits" he's vulnerable to being led into self-destruction. And he can be led by his enemies. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/744392-if-your-opponent-is-of-choleric-temper-seek-to-irritate

    The major question becomes: which of his enemies will get to him first? And here is where you have an interest - because the nature of Trump's downfall will almost certainly matter to you. One can compare your situation to that of the Germans in the last months of WWII - you want to get beat by the Americans; not the Russians, not the Wahabis, not the Chinese, not the European Union - and not the World Bank, or the Oil Sisters, or the like, either.
     
  13. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Well
    That explains a lot.

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  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    ice:
    IMHO:
    If "Trump's downfall means we get "President Pence" then, i suspect that we will have the worst of the "bargain".
     
  15. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Your desperate desire to protect Trump is rather telling sculptor...

    The simple fact is, this guy is not acting like a President should - there is no logical argument to defend his behavior, especially the blatant and repeated risking of sensitive information around individuals that have no business knowing such information.

    If you think you could get Trump to submit to a psychological examination by a neutral party, then by all means - lets settle this. Given that Trump seems to have no desire to do so, the best we have is the professional opinion of 800 or so psychologists that all agree - the man is UNSTABLE.

    if you don't like that, well, that's your problem - but it doesn't change the fact that we have an angry man-child with the social graces of an angry six year old in the highest office of our country right now...
     
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  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    OK
    You would rather have President Pence.
    Why would you prefer Pence?
    What is it about the man or his politics that you really like?

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    (maybe, I'm "anti" Pence?...lol)
     
  17. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks for the clarification. I respect the dictionary, although sometimes forget to use it. A person would have to take part in it to represent it. Who WOULD be able to represent 'our diverse nation' from this logic? BTW are they not called Anglo-Americans, so African Americans, or Mexican Americans? No one it seems. What white males are complaining of being marginalized? Whom ever they are - they are an insignificant population sample compared to those who have been marginalized by the economy and (lack of) healthcare. There's a growing population: people who can't afford dentures. Spoiled brats - nutty things said by politicians? How about a monument: The President of the United States should be assassinated. - Senator Chapelle-Nadal 2017. Definitely should go on a granite slab somewhere - how about at the Capital Visitor Center, or the Dirksen building. Forgive me for being confused, but I have reason.
     
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  18. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    While I'm no fan of Pence, at least Pence is playing with a full deck.

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    And compared to "The Donald", that's a step up.
     
  19. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    When it come to the POTUS, I would rather have an adult who's politics I loath than a person who acts like a deranged, petulant 14 year old. Trump is unpredictable, incompetent and just plain scary.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The American Psychiatric Association is an industry lobbying group. So it shouldn't come as a surprise they want their people to stay out of politics. Their Goldwater Rule is about politics. People are routinely accessed by psychologists and psychiatrists without being interviewed. The FBI has entire division devoted to creating profiles of individuals based on crime evidence; without knowing who the criminal is.
     
  21. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Kindly point out where I said I would rather have Pence - the simple fact is, the entire administration needs to go, as does about 3/4 of Congress (seriously, we have people in there that have been there 30, 40, 50+ years... wtf)
     
  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    as/re the laws of this country, if you get rid of Trump, Pence takes over.
    Absent assassinations and/or revolution, how would you propose to do that?
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    "We" already made that bargain, last November, when we voted for or against the guy who had already brought in Pence as perhaps his first executive decision. That would be one of the worse outcomes of that bargain, but not a surprising or unexpected one.

    Back when Clinton was a monster, if you recall, President Pence was right there on the table. He was a great asset for Trump - got the fundie vote, which was critical. A lot of Trump voters were hoping for a Pence influenced, perhaps eventually run, administration. And voting for Clinton to avoid the distinct possibility, even probability, of Pence would have meant voting for the horrible monster Clinton - so very few votes against Pence counterbalanced the votes for him.

    There is also the possibility that a genuine movement to impeach would get rid of Pence first - he's dirty, of course, and while not as small-time as Spiro Agnew probably vulnerable. Getting rid of Agnew was a key step in taking Nixon down. But Pence has not made himself odious beyond his initial and basic status.
     

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