UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL No it isn't. She corroborates what Fravor saw. That is 100 % corroboration of his account. It doesn't get any better than this.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Not if she's agreeing with his account.That means she knows what his account is, tainting her own.

    It has to be HER experience in HER words, isolated from his and not contaminated. Then it is up to analysts to determine if the two accounts corroborate each other.

    Otherwise her corroboration is effectively worthless.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't. The account is both her's and Fravors, as spoken by Fravor. It's ridiculous to repeat the same account when it has already been given.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yup. As you say: It's ridiculous to repeat the same account when it has already been given.

    That's a single data point. Not two. There are not two accounts here, there is only one.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    A single account corroborated by TWO eyewitnesses. Remember that..
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is, one person cannot say what another person saw. Not and have it count as an eyewitness statement.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. HE said HE saw is a duplicate NOT a NEW account

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  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Another can say they saw the same thing someone else said they saw. That's called corroboration.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That works when it comes to explicable things, like "I saw a red car speeding away", but it actually hurts when applied to trying to divine the nature of a mystery, such as "It appeared to be approximately 10 miles away and made no sound." The whole point of solving such a mystery is to seek out independent encounters.

    And without independent accounts, it only counts once.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't. Two eyewitnesses to an event are two eyewitnesses to an event. When they agree on the same account, they are said to corroborate each other. That's basic common sense. The sighting of the ufo was corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses and radar. How many more times must this be said?
     
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  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Empty accusations earn you no points. Sorry.
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What I said was this:
    "Fravor is the main outspoken guy pushing the alien spacecraft tic tac idea. Clearly, he has realised he is onto a good gig, touring the country and no doubt getting paid to tell his truth over and over again, as breathless UFO enthusiasts clap him on the back and buy him lunch after the presentations."
    Now, admittedly, I haven't scoured the interwebs to see just how many videos and other records of interviews I can find in which Fravor appears, but a number of such videos and interviews have made an appearance in this thread alone.

    It could conceivably be the case that Fravor is giving away his valuable time for free and nobody is buying him lunch or paying him to speak. Maybe he's just in it for the fame, these days. Who knows? Do you?
    More accurately, she doesn't contradict Fravor - at least, not when she's in the same room sitting there next to him being interviewed at the same time.

    So far, I don't know much at all about her version of the story. Do you?
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Then her account is worthless. She wasn't even in the same plane as Fravor. She was thousands of feet above him when he descended to get a closer look at the 'UFO'.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Where can we find her independent account of the incident?
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And where, exactly, can we find her eyewitness statement? If we don't get her eyewitness account then we only have one.
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Wow. That's even more useless then I thought.

    Was she told the whole thing had to fit on the back of a stamp?
    Not a single value, number, angle, distance estimation anywhere to be found.
    What kind of pilot gives an account like that?

    She'd be more credible if she described her cousin's friend's balls in Trinidad.
     
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  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Here's what Dietrich has to say:

    "We don't know what it was, but it could have been a natural phenomenon in human activity. But the point was that it was weird, and we couldn't recognize it."

    "I hope I'm not the UFO, Tic Tac person for the rest of my life. This is not what I envisioned for myself."​

    She's doesn't sound too enthusiastic about being your poster child for alien spaceships, Magical Realist.
     
  22. river

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    Well what books have you read on the topic of UFO's ?
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I never claimed that. I said her account collaborates Fravor's account, which it does. Multiple eyewitnesses backed up by video and radar.
     

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